Ronnie Landis: Hello, hello and greetings, my friend. Welcome to another edition of the Life Mastery Podcast. I’m your host, Ronnie Landis. We have an incredible conversation lined up for you today with Brandy Gillmore. Brandy Gillmore is an incredible human being, an incredible woman, an incredible lecturer, speaker, coach, therapist, someone that’s doing just outstanding work in the world.

She also has an incredible healing story that I’m excited to share with you. I’ve heard so many stories from so many people. You can imagine after almost 250 years, interviews since 2015 and that that doesn’t account for all the stories that I’ve heard off record that have never been recorded. The nature of healing and the phenomenology of it, uh, paranormal aspect of it, the things that defy logic, the stories and experiences that defy physics are truly incredible and make you wonder what’s really going on in this reality.

What’s really behind the healing and the repair and the regeneration of the physical body. Is it just the physical body and the biochemistry in our physiology? Or is something else powering the ship altogether? Well, that’s kind of what we explore. And this episode is really all about the mind body connection.

Healing in curable quote unquote in curable conditions and also training the brain for health success and happiness. Brandy is an expert in this. She’s someone that has done it herself and she teaches countless people how to do this for themselves, especially how to train the brain. The neuropathways of the brain that have been linked, circuited, and grooved to operate a particular way, to think a particular way, to feel a particular way, and to expect particular, um, results in any area of our life.

Especially when it comes to health, it comes to success, it comes to happiness, financial health, all those kind of things. Our brain have developed expectations and reference points for what is possible. And we break that down and demystify that and get into the nuts and bolts of how to retrain the brain.

And also, You know how to heal the body essentially and how brandy did it We I unpacked this thing with her because as we get into this conversation I really wanted to know this step by step process and Not only did she share her blueprint She shared the blueprint that is transferable and universal to everybody in a human body So anyways, without further ado, I think that’s enough riffraff from me.

I think we can dive right in and just get an experience of this conversation. I know that it’s going to land really, really particular for everyone who’s listening, especially if you’re going through some challenging times, especially with a health condition, or maybe circumstances in your life are not lining up the way that Maybe you’d like this is going to be a great episode for you.

So without further ado, let’s dive in with brandy gillmore Brandy gillmore, welcome to the show 

Brandy Gillmore: Ronnie. It is so wonderful to be here and connecting with you 

Ronnie Landis: likewise. Yeah Um as we were just talking about our mutual friend angela hartman connected us And this morning I was diving into your body of work and listening to some of your lectures on youtube university You And I was really, really impressed.

As I was saying, we’re barking up the same tree when it comes to our, our kind of frameworks, models, and perspectives when it comes to holistic healing. And what I really love about your work, and we’re obviously going to go really deep into it, is the mind body connection. That’s something that I have spoken about for a long time over the course of being a holistic health practitioner, nutritionist, herbalist, now a neuromuscular release therapist.

There’s so many different access points for healing of the body, the mind, the spirit. And I really like your perspectives. And I also love your backstory because it’s proof in evidence of what you talk about through your own lived experience. And I think that’s also an interesting point about like the wounded healer archetype.

And the journey that many of us go through in healing some sort of ailment or injury or something in our life or in our body that leads us into the work that we do. So that’s a little setup to get us started. And, um, yeah, I’d love to just maybe start with with your backstory, like your origin story. How did you get into the work that you do now?

Brandy Gillmore: I love that. And, and, you know, the funny thing is I literally never saw myself doing this work, even after I healed, I never, after I got better, I healed myself and I thought, nobody’s even going to believe this is even possible. And, and so I thought, well, let me just give it to my doctors. And then like, I was under that belief.

Everybody’s going to want to do it and heal. And, and because they, you know, said I couldn’t heal. And so. What really ended up driving me was I was like, okay, well, let me give it to them doctors and no want to do it, but I have to show that it works. And so I really set out to show it under medical equipment and then show people they could get results.

And then showing turned into this whole big thing and speaking and, and all of these things. But, uh, Uh, yeah. So, I mean, long story short, I was wheelchair Walker Cain and, and, you know, I had been doing network engineering and operations, basically. I was injured back in Oh three. And at the time I was working in technology, I absolutely loved it.

And basically I had a car accident and also a fall and I fell just wrong, just right, however you want to say it. But I literally went from living a full life to being, uh, You know, injured. And on a good day, I could get around with a wheelchair walker or cane. And then on a lot of bad days, which I had a lot of those, um, I didn’t get out of bed and I was on morphine and for years, almost over six years, um, and in extreme pain.

So that was, that was my life. And my doctor said I wasn’t going to get better. 

Ronnie Landis: Wow. Okay. So, so I guess that is like, well, actually, let me, let me bring this in because what’s interesting about what I’m hearing. Is it’s very parallel to Joe Dispenza story, right? You know, everyone knows Joe Dispenza and his work and again, Mind Over Matter, the mind body connection.

And he was a chiropractor who was cycling and got hit by a truck. And then, you know, broke his spine, essentially. Broke his back and then was in a, in a He was laying in a bed for six months, and according to him, he reconstructed his spine through mental mapping, essentially, and then recovered his life, and now he’s doing the work he does.

So I’m seeing a very clear parallel in those experiences. 

Brandy Gillmore: You know, I, I think there’s maybe some parallels and I think that there are a lot of, uh, a lot of differences. Okay. And to me, if somebody’s been injured for a long period of time, it’s, it’s much different. I would say that. Also, um, I think some meditations can be great, but I, I’m a lot of times more about creating laser changes.

Like, what is the specific, uh, 

Focus. 

And, um, 

Ronnie Landis: that’s what I’m interested in. What, what, what is, what was your process? 

Brandy Gillmore: You know, uh, basically what happened is I, I had been trying everything, you know, and diet supplements, meditation, theta state, binaural beats, all of those things. And while all those things can be great, I wasn’t healing.

And I had been trying for years, and so there was a couple epiphanies that I had that really were pivotal for me, one of which was, you know, researching the placebo, of course, and trying to figure out how the placebo worked, but One of one that was huge and pivotal was multiple personality disorder, or now it’s called disassociative identity disorder, where somebody can have different ailments when they’re in different personalities, they can have back pain in one personality or asthma or allergies in one personality and a different ailment in another personality.

And there’s even a well known case where there was a woman who was blind in some of her personalities, but not others. That was pivotal because. I mean, it showed that things that were quote unquote considered to be incurable could actually be gone in a different personality. So that was one thing. And then another thing that was really profound is that the same personality would have the same illness.

So in other words, let’s say the, the, the. Personality, like the same body, but let’s say the personality that defines as Jane always has back pain, but then the personality that defines as, as, um, Alice always has, you know, uh, neck pain and allergies and asthma, you know, and so the same personality had the same illness consistently, and it was medically documented, so it’s not like they were just thinking that they had the illness.

It’s medically, like, medically documented. Even their body temperatures and heart rate and blood pressure can change between personalities. And that really made me say, okay, there’s something here. And let me figure this out. And it kind of You know, because I had been doing the theta state and the meditation and the ha like in the positive thinking and the affirmations and the chanting and all of these things and it wasn’t working, I thought, well, what is the mindset that I really need to address and, and how can I, like, hack this or shortcut this to just get results?

Cause all I, all I wanted to do was heal, you know? 

Ronnie Landis: Of course, of course. Okay, this is amazing. I’ve also studied the same phenomenon and it’s, it’s truly fascinating. And there’s, there’s an interesting question that’s coming up for me around like the distinction between one’s own personality, identity, and, and the, The transference of emotional states, I guess, because what you’re saying is absolutely true.

I mean, you know this and anyone that’s really honest knows when you’re in a different mental and emotional state, you feel differently and feeling is a physiological experience. You physically feel different. So then, yeah, I was just gonna ask, what’s the difference between like in an identity and an emotional state.

Brandy Gillmore: Uh, identity and an emotional state. Well, a few things. I mean, if you think about it for a moment, most people have good days and bad days. You know, even when I said on a good day, I was up, you know, wheelchair Walker Kane on a bad day. I didn’t make it out of bed. Now, if I have the same injury, then why do I have so many ups and downs?

And why 

do people, what’s that? 

Ronnie Landis: I said, this is great. Keep going. 

Brandy Gillmore: Uh, yeah, even people, you know, with RA can have flare ups and suddenly that triggers or all kinds of things people can have flare ups and suddenly go backwards. People with cancer can be stable and suddenly it’s growing or, you know, there, there’s, we have all of these things.

I would just say that. With just like, you know, if we were to take an example of, you know, like bipolar, there’s more of a shift that’s happening and maybe the rest of, you know, somebody who’s considered quote unquote normal might have ups and downs through their day, but then somebody who’s got these radical shifts has, of course, programming that’s just very, uh, very opposite, very different.

Ronnie Landis: Right, right. And I guess, I guess where I was going with that question is like, there’s a physiological response to an emotion, right? If we have a certain emotion, it has a certain physical response, right? And this up and down, I feel good, I don’t feel good, I oscillate. And then there’s the identity, which I think in most people’s mind is just set in place.

It’s like, I am who I am. And I operate, I’m wired the way I am, and I have an oscillation of emotions, but they’re not really different than, in other words, what I’m getting at is that, at least in my mind, it seems that, like, the oscillation of emotions is indicating, um, a different version of oneself, if that makes sense.

Brandy Gillmore: Absolutely. Absolutely. And, um, and so yeah, so the absolutely, so, but you know, it, it’s, it’s interesting because even if we build on that further as far as identity, when I, me mentioned as far as, uh, Dispenza and there was differences, this actually kind of highlights one of the differences, and it’s this, it’s that if somebody’s been injured for a long period of time.

Injury can start to become in their identity. And then what happens is they try to heal and either they have one issue after another, after another. And so what I found basically is that there are certain combinations of Emotions and things in the mind that equate to illness and an easy way to kind of describe it as this is, you know, as I was researching, I was saying, okay, well, we know stress affects the physical body.

We can look at psycho neuroimmunology. It’s been proven. Um, it’s, it’s well known stress affects the physical body, but let’s also be honest. Are there people who are stressed who aren’t sick? Yes, there are people who even have PTSD who aren’t necessarily sick, and then there’s somebody who’s got less quote unquote stress with cancer or something terminal.

And so that’s what also had me look at what is the mindset, and basically what I started to realize, is that the kind of the simple analogy is kind of like cake, you know, if you have flour, you can’t make cake. But if you have flour and you mix it with eggs and butter, vegan eggs and butter, whatever, um, and other ingredients, then you can make cake.

Now, of course, health issue is not cake. But my point is, Different ingredients make different recipes. And so, when I mentioned in the beginning, how there’s a lot of differences between Despenza and I’s work, it was exactly that. It’s that there’s different factors and one of them can be the identity itself, absolutely.

And so, with a shorter term recovery, it doesn’t, so there’s a lot of different factors um, that occur. 

Ronnie Landis: Yeah, no, it is super fascinating. And it’s like the simplicity of what I’m getting is that, and I’m just using my own exam, my own lived experience or watching many people that go through the healing process on one day, I might be exhibiting the qualities and the state of the version of me that’s whole healed and complete and on another day.

It could be the version of me that feels wounded or traumatized or inhibited in some way. And so there we can oscillate between these, these versions of ourself, which are going to manifest different experiences, different symptoms. And I’m, I’m interested to a, what you think about that and be like, what is the, what is the next step in terms of, because we’re really talking about like integration, like integrating the whole person or the whole identity.

Yeah. 

Brandy Gillmore: Yeah, absolutely. And what I think about that, I mean, you’re spot on. Absolutely. Where we can, uh, we can vacillate and really go between different versions of ourselves. And a lot of times what happens is that it’s, it’s because all of those are programmed into our mind. So meaning that, We can love somebody and we can also have resentment towards somebody and we can go back and forth between the two.

And so what happens is it’s really about addressing the pattern. And that’s what I always tell people. You know, most people, you know, ’cause I’ll show healing under medical equipment where people can actually see results where they have physical pain and I show it under medical equipment and I tell people, you have to make sure to really follow through to get rid of it.

Part of the reason that is, is, you know, if we start looking at things like Freud’s work, or we look at repetition, compulsion, reenactments, attachments, theory, re victimization, things like that, we have patterned ways of thinking and feeling. So the brain has a natural tendency to want to return to trauma or wounding, and not just trauma and wounding, but even patterns of criticism, or hurt, or abandonment, rejection, whatever it is.

And so what happens Is that if we don’t get really, really change the pattern itself, then we find ourselves going back into it. And so part of really healing the self and integrating it is, that’s what I said, like a laser focus addressing what is that specific pattern. And then not just changing the emotion in the moment, but really creating a real integration, um, to transform it.

Ronnie Landis: That was so beautifully put and right there. The emotions and the thoughts are more of a symptom, right? They’re not the actual source code. They’re a symptom of a program. And I love I think this is so this is such a useful framework to like the remembering that we have been there’s programmatic software inputs.

Inside of our subconscious and conscious mind and literally in our neuromuscular system that are patterned. So I really love how you’re, you’re articulating that these are patterns of, of, these are patterns that have been familiarized in our brain and our brain is going to go back to these patterns because that’s what’s familiar.

Brandy Gillmore: Right. And absolutely. And, and one thing about shifting the patterns, the kind of a hack, if you will, is this, is that as I started looking at, okay, well, we have patterned ways of thinking and feeling, and what I started to realize is we have what I call emotion controlled perception or emotion controlled consciousness.

And basically our subconscious emotions are always controlling our consciousness, whether we realize it or not. And kind of a very. Simple example is to think about, you know, if somebody is really, really in love. What do they see? They see all of the loving, wonderful things, right? Or if somebody’s been really pissed off and angry, then it’s like the, the brain automatically goes on like this ticker tape of, you know, fault finding or having that argument over and over and over in, in, in their head.

And so when we have intense emotions, it can hijack our consciousness even towards fear or towards hurt or victim or anger. And we don’t even realize it. We just think that’s how life is. And so, part of, uh, the process of creating a real change is actually amplifying the emotions to shift this emotion controlled consciousness because what, then, when you can shift the emotion controlled consciousness, now your brain is thinking in a different way.

Like if somebody’s, Going from, you know, feeling anger and fault finding to shifting their brain to really feeling and amplifying love. Now it becomes easy to sustain because now they see it and they feel it. So it’s, so part of the hack is amplifying emotions to shift consciousness as well. 

Ronnie Landis: Okay, okay, interesting.

So what, what um, What’s, what’s the, the process for that? 

Brandy Gillmore: You know, this is, this is what I did. Um, and there’s basically one thing that I did was this, because I was in a really, really bad place, you know, I’m injured in extreme pain. And so for me to create a new neural pathway to actually feel different would mean that I would need to access positive high vibration emotions multiple times a day, multiple days in a row.

And 

because I had tried the positive thinking, but the problem with positive thinking is it’s effortful. You don’t really feel it. And not only that, but it doesn’t create a new neural pathway. It’s kind of like if there’s a field of grass and you’re taking a different path every day and you’re like, Oh, I’m grateful for this.

Oh, I love this. Oh, I’m happy about this. Oh, you know, and you’re walking through the grass a million different ways. Doesn’t create a path, but our brains work in patterns. And so I thought, okay, well, I need to hack this process and I need some happy patterns and that just lift me and feel good. And so what I did is I just started, like, I would take one song.

Technically I took two songs and I listened to them over and over and over again. Now we’ve all heard of like a happy playlist. This is not that the happy playlist is great. But that would be like, but really creating a neural pathway. I took two songs and literally just broaden the feelings to help amplify the feelings as much as I could.

And I did it for multiple reasons to, to be able to access the emotions, to be able to shift my consciousness and also to be able to bring in, you know, dopamine. So when you, when you really start creating that shift, you know, you, you know what I’m talking about. When you have that happiness, it helps trigger the release of bio or biochemicals.

Ronnie Landis: Yeah, and the dopamine thing is really interesting, too, because dopamine is essentially a heat seeking neurotransmitter that is tracking and targeting, and it’s anticipatory, so it’s tracking like future experiences, and it’s based on pattern recognition, so if you, this works with trauma as much as it works with chasing pleasure, um, and the more that our brain has patterned An external input and created a dopamine response.

It’s going to want to recreate that over and over because it’s the pleasure and reward system. And most people, especially with addiction have pattern that in, let’s say, non productive or non helpful habits, but they’re getting that little bit of reward and it gives them a little bit of a boost to get over whatever the real issue is temporarily.

So what I’m, what I’m hearing and what I’m kind of deriving is that if we can shift those neuropathways and even use the dopamine principle to shift towards patterns that are actually leading us in a better direction, say, amplifying your emotions, um, that are, you know, just, just much more positive and productive, then we can kind of use that same principle that even creates addiction, but can help unhook people from addictions.

Brandy Gillmore: Absolutely. And I’ve, I’ve seen people actually come off all kinds of medications and whatnot. Not that I’m recommending anybody do that, 

Ronnie Landis: um, 

Brandy Gillmore: without their, you know, definitely with the doctor, um, you know, watching and, and all of that under doctor supervision, but just saying I’ve, I’ve seen plenty of people do that.

And Absolutely. So dopamine is important and it, but I, I also want to make the distinction that it’s not just like, um, placebo analgesia where, you know, it’s all about the biochemical response because the way I look at it is again, kind of going back to that there’s multiple ingredients. So like the mindset of somebody with multiple personality disorder or like thinking about, You know, in a different mindset, there can be different ailments and whatnot.

And, and not only that, but somebody with PTSD and extreme trauma isn’t necessarily sick. And so, and not only that, but there are plenty of people who are really happy who also have illness as well. And so it goes back to like the, the multiple factors. And I would say, so that was one part was absolutely bringing that in because even if we look at optimism.

You know, um, there is one study after another, after another on even, you know, post surgical studies that somebody who is optimistic, you know, following surgery, they have increased cellular proliferation, you know, it’s more optimal, optimal healing, but somebody who after surgery is negative, is fearful, is angry, is stressed, has much lower Cellular proliferation rates, a lot of, um, increased re hospitalization, a lot of trauma, complications, this and that.

And so that was like, okay, well, one ingredient, okay, let me make sure to get the optimism in so it speeds up the body’s repair. And, and so that was a piece. Then of course, you know, self identity can be a piece, that self image. Then another thing that I call the symptom emotion, that is another piece. And what that is, is that You know, if we look at individual emotions, each emotion can affect the body differently.

You know, somebody’s embarrassed their face turns red or nervous stomach or panic attack or even sexual thought, sexual physical response, obviously different for men and women, but there’s a different physical response. And so, you know, when we look at this, we think, oh, well, that’s It’s simple, but when we also think about, you know, there’s the widowhood effect where a senior loses a spouse who can actually die and we can see the impact or even, you know, scared to death where somebody can be so scared that their heart stops.

And so what I started also looking at is, okay, well, all right, there’s this ingredient, there’s this ingredient and, and kind of looking at, okay, what all ingredients are needed to create, um, real results. And so looking at how is the illness showing up and then understanding what specific emotion is, is pre is connected to the symptom also.

So that was another piece. 

Ronnie Landis: Yeah. And I’m really, I’m really wanting to like, even break this down for myself and for the audience. Cause as you kind of articulated the framework, people are wondering, how do I put this puzzle together in my own life? 

Brandy Gillmore: Absolutely. What I would say is I would say for me and what I see people do, this is what I have people do all the time is number one, to start with the positive.

And there’s a few reasons to start with the positive and bringing it in is because as you start with the positive, you can start to lift a little bit. You can also start to shift your consciousness if you’re really amplifying it, but also what happens. is you actually access what I call accessing more resourceful consciousness.

So you, there’s a few things. So one way to illustrate this is if you think, if you think about somebody who walks into a room and they’re really, really, really, really upset, how easy would you say it is to reason with them? 

Ronnie Landis: It’s I, uh, I mean, being in a relationship, it’s whether it’s myself or the other, it’s very challenging.

Brandy Gillmore: It’s very challenging. Now, of course, as we all know, somebody calms down. It’s easy to reason with them and to talk to them. And so what happens is similarly, if we can, um, start bringing the positive and then start calming the negative emotions. Then we can see with more clarity. Now, one thing I had been doing that kind of kept me stuck was I was just doing meditation and just doing meditation, but in doing so the way that I, I was doing it wrong in that I was working on either checking out where I was visualizing and just picturing myself, you know, off at a waterfall or.

I was practicing ignoring my thoughts. Like, okay, well, let me just let it go. Let me just let it go. Now the problem is is that I needed to identify the problem and change it instead of just get really good at ignoring it because It was coming from my subconscious mind. So I had to stop doing that. And, and, and I had to calm my mind in a different way and calm myself in a different way.

So then my mind could really actually check in and then observe what it was that I needed to change. If that makes sense. 

Ronnie Landis: It makes, no, it makes complete sense. That’s actually, I’d love to touch, touch on that because the subconscious programs, the subconscious booby traps, however one wants to think about it, you’re, you’re right.

This is the, the vast majority of what’s operating our experience and it can be very tricky to access it and know what to do with it or know how to navigate it. And so I’m, I’m, yeah, I’d love to actually probe deeper into the mechanics of that, even if it’s just your own experience or how you coach clients on, um, I guess, on programming the subconscious mind or maybe reprogramming.

I don’t know. 

Brandy Gillmore: Absolutely. What I would say is what happens is That if we clear our mind in a way that we move it towards positivity instead of clearing it to just not pay attention to it. Because again, I, I made that mistake and it kept me very stuck. But when I started clearing it and purposely bringing in positive emotions and then amplifying them, it became easier to address my negative emotions.

And that’s what I have people do all of the time. And, and it is powerful. And then you can, it’s like, you can see with more clarity and you can also see without getting so triggered because then you go, Oh, okay, let me, let me address this. And then you, it’s like, Being able to then work in a more stable and a happier mindset with your subconscious mind.

And so, uh, then as far as reprogramming it, what you start to realize when you really get into the nuts and bolts is you realize that a lot of things in our minds are miswired. And, uh, great, but A horrible, compassionate example, you know, is, is if somebody, we’ve heard before of a cutter, who can cut themselves and they can feel a feeling of relief or euphoria or control from cutting themselves.

And obviously that’s miswired. Or people get linked up to something like, you know, Pride and hardship. And then so part of their brain wants more and more hardship and the other part of their brain is in all this fear because it’s afraid that hardship is going to come. And so it creates a feeling of fear inside and stress, you know, and so there’s, there’s a lot of, and so it’s, it’s, then you get more clarity as to, uh, creating that real change.

And then, and then what happens is then you rewire and reprogram the miswired programming and that. Is is when everything changes. 

Ronnie Landis: Yeah. And if I’m hearing you correctly, the simplicity of this is that we’re, we’re essentially retraining the software by amplifying positive emotions, which give us a new lens to look through, because we probably have a negativity bias based on.

Negative or downward emotions that have been just patterned over time. So it influences the lenses in which we’re seeing, seeing things, which obviously influences our thoughts and our interpretation of our thoughts. So what I’m hearing is that if you’re able to, if you’re able to repeatedly amplify positive emotion, you’re going to, your perception of reality and yourself in it is going to.

Is going to be encoded through that positive emotion. 

Brandy Gillmore: Yes. And, and it clears more of your mind. So then you can really see what is going on deeper levels. So in other words, as you start bringing in the positivity, it’s kind of like, it’s kind of like if, if somebody is going throughout their day and something stressful happens and they’re already overwhelmed and they’re already feeling overwhelmed and frustrated and stressed, and then something little could happen.

And it’s like, Oh, I can’t deal with this. It’s too much. 

Ronnie Landis: Right. You’re already defeated. 

Brandy Gillmore: Yeah. You’re well said. Absolutely. And, but if somebody’s happy and everything’s great and they’re feeling good and they’re feeling better, then if something comes up, they go, Oh, no, it’s spilled milk. Let’s just clean this up and let’s keep going.

And so what happens. Is that’s a very simplified way to put it. So I, I, you know, I, I want to simplify and articulate it in a way where it makes sense, but I’m also, I want to say that it does take real change. So I don’t want to make it sound like it’s sprinkling fairy dust because 

Ronnie Landis: I think this is really good because that is, that’s just step one, right?

Amplify the positive emotion to get yourself back into baseline. And then step two is like, now you’re actually, you’re actually in a position where you can do something. 

Brandy Gillmore: Exactly. Exactly that. And it’s also about understanding, like there are certain patterns that can actually block us from bringing in the positive.

Um, and I, I call them negative punishment patterns, like punishing patterns, such as self, uh, self criticism or guilt or feeling bad. Um, or even actually, you know, engaging in behavior. That’s not in good integrity. These emotions can block you. And so. What happens is sometimes I’ll have somebody who say, look, I’ve been trying to lift, but I can’t, and it’s because, okay, so, I mean, they’ll lift some, and then it’s like, okay, well, let’s deal with the, the thing that’s blocking you, the guilt, the whatever it is, and so it’s a combination, it is lifting, and then also making sure you unblock the lift, and then, yeah, and then you, you can see more clearly as to what is going on in the subconscious mind, and then you look for, okay, why is this miswired, and, you know, if somebody Sometimes it could be as simple as something that, you know, a person can be linked up to sympathy, getting love from sympathy.

Now the problem is, is that if they’re getting love from sympathy, And that was wired when they were three and they didn’t even know it was there, but that’s what they got linked up. And then now they, the problem with that is then they need to have a problem or a hardship or an illness or something to then meet that, that connection.

It’s like, Oh, wait a second. I don’t want love and connection from sympathy. You’re amazing. Let me change that. And so it’s looking at why are things miswired and how are they miswired and then fixing that. 

Ronnie Landis: That was really brilliantly put. There’s so many examples that you could, you could use, you know.

Getting love from like performance based love, getting love for achievement or for significance or for overcoming struggle. Well, if that’s the case, then you’re going to need to create a problem or something to overcome in order to receive validation or a sense of significance as a basic example. 

Brandy Gillmore: So well said.

Absolutely. 

Ronnie Landis: It’s well said because I know it very well.

Like why, why does it feel like I’m digging my own ditches, but I get the dopamine response and the motivation to climb out and I get the reward of climbing out of the ditch, but then when that’s over. I need to dig another ditch, you know. Oh, wow. This is insanity. 

Brandy Gillmore: That is so well said that is so well said.

So true. So true. And it’s like, well, can we just get love for, for being loving and being fun or being happy or connecting or, you know, just like, we don’t have to necessarily. Be doing something or not and definitely not linking it up to some type of hardship or problem 

Ronnie Landis: I think this is a great turning point in the conversation actually as we get into What actually heals us, you know, I think I think ultimately from a spiritual perspective It’s the realization that nothing’s wrong with us in the first place that we’re actually whole We’re we’re whole and complete as we are and then there’s all these programs and all these these inputs and all these things that Have led us to believe that we’re fractured and, and disjointed.

But that aside, you know, I feel like what you just said about like receiving love as a natural byproduct of just being who we are and, and, and having fun in play. I mean, the power of play in of itself is healing. Um, so I think this is a great direction to go into as far as like what have you seen.

actually help people not just overcome is that word sneaks in there again, like, okay, how do I overcome this illness? It’s like, how do I transcend this? How do I just, how do I just like dissolve the barrier between me and the version of me that actually is whole incomplete? 

Brandy Gillmore: Yeah. And I would say it’s, I love your question.

And it’s so interesting because I’ve seen people who try to, you know, just go play and then they’ll, if they have a pattern of guilt, now they feel guilty for playing. 

And 

now it increases the negativity instead of, so it’s, it’s so tricky and kind of from a spiritual level, this is how I look at it. And there’s, there’s a few things that you touched on that are just so important, but from a spiritual level, the way I look at it is like this.

is that illness is ultimately like a check engine light on a car. 

And 

it’s telling us that whatever pattern that we’re going into, we really need to change. And for example, uh, you know, a woman that I worked with had extreme pain and it was linked up to a strong pattern of self criticism. And if you think about it for a moment, if she lived the rest of her life Feeling self criticism for the next 50, 60, 70, however many years of her life, compared to making that change and having self love and self confidence and feeling good about herself.

How different is that trajectory? And I can tell you because her marriage is better than it’s ever been. She’s made millions of dollars since changing it. Uh, you know, and her life, she feels good. She has more friends than she’s ever like, she feels good of it. She’s a different person. And so the way I see illness is it’s like that patterned negative problem is impacting us.

And, and so it’s like our universe telling us, Hey, pay attention. And that when we do, it becomes a life changing gift. That’s what, that’s what I love so much about mind, body healing is exactly that is it requires real change to get real results, but the gift that comes from it is always profound. 

Ronnie Landis: There’s like an interesting thing that’s coming up for me.

It’s part personal, but it’s also, you know, it’s, it’s, I think it’s, it’s collective in terms of so many, so many people’s experience when it comes to personal growth and healing and such, because there is this, this thing around like it’s, it’s hard work, like there is hard work to do. Okay, cool. That’s that feels true.

But then there’s this also this other thing around Okay, if I unhook the lynchpin Then like do in other words I guess what I’m kind of trying to formulate a thought around is like you say that there’s people that you know They they address their guilt. They address their shame or resentment, whatever way but whatever it may be And then things in their life just get better.

Is it that things really do just start to get better? Like energy amplifies. Obviously there’s things to do. There’s things that people actually do. But is it like there’s a liberation of energy that just happens and things just tend to get easier and it just kind of creates a momentum? 

Brandy Gillmore: You know, I would say both are true.

I would say there’s multiple ways. You know, it’s kind of like if let’s say somebody has a pattern of. Rejection or even probably a better example is, you know, we’ve we’ve heard before in psychology There’s the woman who unfortunately has the abusive father who can leave him and find the abusive boyfriend boss spouse, etc, etc And so she has that unfortunate pattern and she keeps you know, we could call it law of attraction We could also call it attraction theory Um, you know, it’s written throughout psychology repetition compulsion reenactments Whatever you want to call it re victimization even and even if we set aside psychology You We can even see in police and law enforcement statistics, you can actually see in crime rates that people who have had the most amount of trauma as a child statistically have more trauma, exponentially more trauma as an adult.

And, and so no matter what way we look at it, if we’re looking at it in psychology or actual statistics, we can see that. And, and so I would say that there’s a few things. I mean, One, we do, we attract on a energetic, spiritual level, we do attract things into our world. And I would also say then our unconscious behavior also plays a role in that, in that, you know, let’s say somebody has had a pattern of rejection and, and so then what happens is then maybe they connect with people and they’re really, really, really needy, in which case people feel suffocated.

They are hot and cold because they go, Oh, I want to connect, but then I don’t, but then I do. Or they then go, Oh yeah. Or they go, Oh, well, I’m going to be rejected. So I better reject you first. And so the end of just manifesting it over and over based on their own actions. And so, yeah, you, you know what I’m talking about?

Ronnie Landis: It’s like, what I’m hearing is that no matter what lens you look through, These patterns are going to show up in every interaction that we have with other people, our intimate relationships, finances, as a result of business or vocation, the work that we do, our health patterns, every single area of our life is going to be, because we’re always interacting with life.

We’re not just sitting on our cushion meditating all day. Like we’re out there in the world, we’re doing things, we’re interacting with people. 

Brandy Gillmore: You know what’s, you know what’s tricky about that? And I love, like, is it, what’s so tricky is that somebody might have, using that same example, somebody might have a mother who’s really, really, really loving.

And then a father who’s abusive. And then what happens? Is this like they attract a combination so then they can have really loving relationships and then also abusive relationships and then it becomes easy to say, what’s the other person’s fault because it’s, it’s harder to identify the pattern because we can have 20 different patterns running at the same time and so it, it, that’s part of what does make it a bit challenging.

Ronnie Landis: Right. 

Brandy Gillmore: So I think another thing you, you said earlier, you mentioned as far as, you know, digging the hole and then getting out of it. And another thing that’s really interesting is that something that I did that was different than a lot of people, a lot of times I’ll notice people are trying to make it very complicated.

And I said, okay, how can I make this really simple? And I I’ve literally, by the way, uh, I I’ve literally, you know, take spoken in front of a large audience and I’ll take people, I’ll take volunteers from the audience and I’ll show them it. How to use their own mind to get rid of their pain. And, and I love doing that because people can see we can all do this, you know, it’s not just Brandy, like we’re all incredible.

And then sometimes somebody will come up and say, well, why don’t you talk about the super conscious, the, this, that, and, and the thing of it is, why not? You know, I always try to keep it simple. And sometimes, of course, I’ll talk about bio photons and energy and, and how everything all it’s. It’s, um, it’s amazing how much we can look at that’s actually going on inside of our body and our energy even that is being overlooked when it comes to getting results.

Ronnie Landis: Yeah, yeah. And it’s so true. Like, You know, I’ve done this so much too, because the more your field of awareness is expanded, the more aware you become of things you weren’t aware of before. So there’s more, there’s more information, there’s more data, there’s more things to learn and that, and that’s great.

But if it’s not implemented, if it’s not integrated, it’s, it’s, you know, it just takes up, takes up a RAM drive on the, the hardware, so to speak. Really, it is about simplification because we need to be able to apply these things. And I’m even noticing in the conversation. Just the different directions that my mind wants to go, but it keeps wanting to hone back into like, okay, simple.

Like, how do we make this simple? What do I do? What are the, what are the, what are the steps are just like, what are, what are the practical things that I can do that the audience can do? I mean, for example, You mentioned you, the, the theme of this is that the mind heals the body. And you also made the distinction that this is not like, this is not necessarily meditation.

Um, and I’m, I’m, I guess I’m curious too. I know we’ve, we’ve gone a lot of different directions in utilizing the mind and developing the mind or training the mind. How did, how do you use your mind? How did you use your mind to actually heal your body? 

Brandy Gillmore: Literally, I would say that I identified the specific emotions that were affecting me.

And I didn’t realize mine were towards 9 11. And I then I realized I had a pattern of expecting to die and also wanting to die for others. 

Ronnie Landis: Okay. 

Brandy Gillmore: So it was like a combination. Um, And, uh, and that’s really ultimately what I began to find, which is the last thing that I would have thought, but I think the way that I started looking at it was kind of like, like this was, you know, emotions create, uh, generate activity in different parts of the brain.

So the way I started looking at it was like, What if there’s like an emotional stroke, if you will, you know, where somebody maybe has a stroke, if we’re familiar with a stroke, somebody has a stroke on the right side of their brain, it affects the left side of the body and the left side of the brain affects the right side of the body.

So what I started thinking of was thinking, okay, well, if there are emotions that keep firing, that are then affecting a certain part of my body, then I need to get those emotions to stop firing, to stop affecting my body. Now there’s a couple interesting things, you know, this was actually, cause when I got better, I healed myself by 2010, but this was actually proven, uh, by Carnegie Mellon University.

Researchers there did a study under fMRI and actually did show that different emotions do generate, different neural activity. Like if somebody’s feeling sad and if two people are feeling sad, then their brain scans are similar. But if one person’s feeling sad and one’s person’s feeling disgust or fear, then there’s different activity or happiness.

Then there’s different activity. And so that’s the way that I really started looking at it is. is that and even thinking about, um, like the homunculus map. So, um, the homunculus map, if you, if you think about the brain body connection is that’s how it was created is, and basically what the homunculus map is, is the awareness that each part of the body is located in a different part of the brain.

So like with the somatosensory cortex, like the foot might be in one location and the hands are in another location. And. Researchers actually created this entire map. And what they did is they were stimulating different parts of the brain, and then they would see where it showed up in the body. So if they stimulate the insular cortex and then somebody feels like they’re going to vomit, they go, Oh, okay, well, this is, this is where to stimulate the brain.

And so it’s like a, each part of our brain is connected to a different part of our body. And so that’s the way I looked at it is I said, okay. Emotions must be firing. Let me figure out what specific emotional patterns are firing in my brain, and then shutting those down. And, and so, does that, does that answer your question?

Ronnie Landis: No, it answers it perfectly, and I know that we’ve, we’ve barked up this tree a few times, and it’s, it’s, It’s, it’s, yeah, it’s, it’s really well put and it was really helpful for me to rehear that in a new way. 

Brandy Gillmore: You know, awesome. And uh, if we were going to geek out just a little bit, even more there, there’s, there’s something called bio photons and a lot of people, they think, you know, energy of the body is just a spiritual concept.

It was actually Alexander Gers Witch in the 1920s discovered that our cells really are emitting energy from the body, the photons. Now they’re called bio photons. And when he discovered them, he was actually no nominated for a Nobel Prize 11 times. And not only that, he also did end up getting A-U-S-S-R, the USSR prize, and which is similar to the US Nobel Prize.

But it was interesting that this has all been discovered and the fact that he showed in his work biophotons can actually influence healing in the body, like influence cell proliferation, is what he actually showed, is that this light energy can influence cellular proliferation. Now what’s profound about that is our thoughts and emotions can also influence this light energy that’s going on in our body.

So that’s another, there’s so many factors. I 

Ronnie Landis: actually want to geek out on this with you because I studied the work of Fritz Albert Poppe many, many moons ago. And he, he brought in this thing on bio photons as well. And I I’m very, very well. versed in that particular topic. And I think it’s really interesting too, you know, because in the nutrition and health world, you know, you have ATP production, cellular energy production.

And so there’s this whole conversation around carbs, fats, proteins, and then ketones and, you know, and then you get into like oxygen and hydrogen as primary fuels for, for the cells, but then you get into bio photons and you realize actually fundamentally the cells. Are running on light frequencies. Which are really what minerals are.

They’re tuning forks for light frequencies. So it stands to reason that biophotons actually are what’s running the physical body on an energetic level. I just wanted to throw that in there. 

Brandy Gillmore: Yeah, absolutely. Biophotons are incredible and kind of just to break it down for anybody who’s not too familiar with it.

Uh, An easy way to think about it is a light bulb emits particles of light, which would be called photons or the sun emits particles of light. So photons now a bio photon is just a photon from a biological source. And initially, when they were discovered, they were called mitogenetic radiation. And then when pop.

rediscovered them and discovered an even broader frequency of them. That’s when he called them bio photons. And what’s fascinating about them is that a few things, I mean, there’s studies that have shown that they can help. influence healing and cell proliferation. And I do want to point out, there’s a database, a shared database between Harvard, the Smithsonian, and NASA, that there are studies of biophotons in this database.

So it’s not like this is some woo woo study. There are actually a lot of studies and I mean, just, there was a new study even published this last week on biophotons. And so we know that our cells. emit biophotons and some other fascinating things are, are this, it is that like cancer cells, they emit different biophoton frequencies than healthy cells.

Or even people with type 2 diabetes emit different frequency of biophotons than people who are healthy. And so we know that there’s also a link between illness and biophotons as well. 

Ronnie Landis: Of course, of course. And so what you’re, what you’re alluding to, what you’re saying directly is that our thoughts and our emotions have a direct effect on our biophotonic resonance.

Brandy Gillmore: Absolutely. Studies actually show that there’s a direct correlation between our mindset and our emotions and our biophoton emissions. And there’s also studies that show, you know, if somebody’s in a deep state of relaxation, that it changes the biophotons and, um, and decreases biophoton emission, or if somebody’s feeling angry, that it can actually increase their biophoton emission.

And so there’s, uh, there’s distinct changes. that occurred. And there’s also one study where researchers had the participants visualize white light. And what was interesting about this is that researchers were able to document that there was increased biophoton emissions out of the right side of the head, but not the left side of the head.

And so it’s, it’s amazing how different thoughts we can see that different ways of thinking can produce different types of results as well. So 

Ronnie Landis: Yeah, that’s super fascinating. And it makes me think about if, if one is just really in tune with their body and they’re, they’re energy sensitive enough, they can, they can track how they feel based on different thoughts or emotions or states of being, you can almost kind of feel this, right?

Like you could feel this, this enlivening effect, which would be You know, we have this words of like lit up. What does that mean? Oh, I must be lit up like there must be energy that’s lighting up versus when you feel when you’re dragging and you’re just feeling down. It would make sense that my bio photons are being there.

There’s the power sources is not the fuel is not getting getting in the light bulb, so to speak, is dimming. 

Brandy Gillmore: Absolutely. Absolutely. Well, well said. And, and that’s, it’s so true as we, as we feel better. But what’s interesting is we also, you know, sometimes people will think, okay, well, more and more and more energy, 

but, 

but the thing of it is, is technically speaking, it’s, it’s not just more because even if anger actually increases biophoton emissions.

And so What I would say is this is also, um, you know, there’s studies that have shown that bio photons can help communicate throughout the body and communicate homeostasis, uh, communicate information, and some profound work that was just eye opening is a few things is well, first and foremost, the fact that it can communicate information throughout the body for some people, they think, well, how can light possibly communicate information?

But then if we stop and look at it, our cell phones, cable, internet, all of this stuff is all running on fiber optics, which is light. Light is communicating our entire, you know, not the entire, but a lot of the telecommunication system. And it, you know, emails, all of it. And so we can see that light has the ability to communicate information.

And what’s also profound is that there were studies that showed, like on fish eggs and frog eggs, that biophotons from one to another had the ability to either increase growth and cell proliferation, Or decrease cell growth and proliferation, or even create abnormal growth and proliferation. So the fact that it could change, and kind of to give context, you know, to simplify, cell proliferation, uh, for an easy example, is cells are growing and dividing.

And a simple way to think about it is like dish soap. So if, if you pour water on dish soap, and you know, it’s bubbling up, and this, that, the other. Um, our cells grow and divide and mitosis is where they’re growing and dividing evenly, but proliferation is where we’re getting more of them. And, and so if we think about cancer, cancer is abnormal cellular proliferation, or we think about a lot of auto, like different autoimmune issues and conditions, abnormal cell proliferation is important.

And so the fact that this light that studies have shown that this light has the ability to influence cell proliferation, and that’s even wound healing. I mean, Um, and so it’s profound that a few things that First, that this light has been able to show this. And one of the things that’s also really profound is that with light energy, it’s easy to take out the other factors because you’re testing something outside of the body.

So in other words, you know, if somebody is testing, Uh, type of supplement. There’s so many different chemicals and biochemicals and reactions and thoughts and all of these things can happen that you never really know 100 percent sure where the influence is coming from. But with light energy, it’s outside of it.

And, uh, and so it’s just, it’s, it’s profound that light energy that research studies have shown this and that our own thoughts and emotions have the ability to influence light energy. Yeah. 

Ronnie Landis: Yeah. Go ahead. Yeah. Thank you for all that. I’m just taking it all in. And I mean, that’s, that’s, that’s quite a place to end on.

Um, I feel like this entire podcast has been one long rabbit hole, but it’s also had a really, a really solid through line, which is that the mind body connection is real, that we can heal ourself. Not only that, we are actually designed to heal ourselves. the body is designed to heal itself through the correct pathways and really shifting out the mental and emotional patterns helps the body do what it’s designed to do.

Yeah, that’s 

Brandy Gillmore: exactly kind of what I was looking at is as I as I looked at no matter if we’re looking at bio photons or if we’re looking at multiple personality disorder or the placebo or you stress or psycho neuroimmunology or any of these things. That’s exactly how I looked at is no matter what way you really want to look at it.

There’s something there and that’s what really made me say, okay, let me make this change. So go ahead. I just wanted to say exactly 

Ronnie Landis: that. Yeah. I appreciate that. And I also feel like there’s this, this thing about acknowledging, acknowledging the fact that your body is designed to heal itself. And once you do, I think that does shift the identity too, because now all of a sudden, Your belief kicks in even if it’s not a fully integrated or embodied belief per se, even that little crack in the door of like, oh, but the body is designed to heal itself.

Maybe I don’t know how it is, or I don’t have the evidence in my own experience, but it is designed to heal itself. I feel like that in of itself creates a pathway for, you know, the rest of the process to follow. 

Brandy Gillmore: I agree. You know what I like to compare it to or think of it as is the four minute mile, you know, for So long it was thought to be impossible to actually run a mile in four minutes and then Once roger banister did it then a whole bunch of people others were able to do it now It’s become a new norm And yet it was something that we thought was impossible and kind of the same thing I see is true Is that you know all the time i’ll show people how to release pain or show them how to get real results And then they go.

Oh my gosh, I released my own pain. I did this I did it. It’s like That’s what i’m excited about is You That we do have, as you were saying, we do have this ability and. I’m excited to see this become the other the four minute mind, if you will, uh, 

Ronnie Landis: mind. Oh, my gosh. That’s great. 

Brandy Gillmore: I almost, I almost called my book that actually, because, but then I thought, well, people were going to think now they need to heal in four minutes.

And I say, 

Ronnie Landis: yeah, it’s a four hour work week. Right. Right. 

Brandy Gillmore: Yep. Uh, yeah, exactly. So, but, but exactly like, as you were saying, just echoing your, uh, your brilliance and your words is exactly that is that we have this ability and waking up to this awareness is profound. 

Ronnie Landis: Brandy, this conversation has been absolutely profound and your work is profound.

I really appreciate it. everything that you’re bringing to bear in this field and um, just the way that you do it, how you communicate, your embodiment, your lived experience, like it’s really remarkable and I’m really grateful for this conversation. I know everyone listening is too. 

Brandy Gillmore: Thank you. And Ronnie, I have to tell you, you have such a beautiful heart.

I just, I love your self awareness and your insight and your heart and you’re just, and everything you said just spot on. And I just, I’m, I’m glad to be connecting with you and I feel grateful to do so. So thank you. 

Ronnie Landis: Thanks, Brandy. I really appreciate that. Um, Where can people find more about your work? 

Brandy Gillmore: Um, they can find more about my work on my website at brandygillmore.

com and Gillmore has two L’s. And one of the things that’s cool is that there’s also a video where you can actually see somebody shifting their mindset and you can see it under medical equipment where a person is releasing their own pain. Um, so that’s a really great thing to just, again, the four minute mind or the four minute mile, but looking at it and being aware.

So, uh, that’s a really great. Resource. 

Ronnie Landis: Amazing. Well, again, oh, and, 

Brandy Gillmore: uh, and also have a book that’s being released. So, uh, so there’s that as well. So either, either places is a great way to, to expand the mind. 

Ronnie Landis: Okay. Beautiful. Well, thank you so much. This has been an absolute pleasure. 

Brandy Gillmore: Likewise, Ronnie. It has been such a pleasure connecting with you.