Ronnie Landis: Greetings. Welcome to another edition of the Life Mastery Podcast Show. I’m your host, Ronnie Landis. So excited to be joined by you today. We have an incredible episode with one of my favorite human beings in the world. His name is Coot Blackson. I’ve known Coot for at least 10 or 11 years now from the Los Angeles, California, spiritual, personal development, holistic health community.

And, uh, we go back, we go ways back and this individual has been an incredible inspiration, a divine role model, and really a transformational catalyst in every sense of the word. This episode was truly profound. This is the fifth recording that him and me have done since I started the podcast in 2016, I believe, when I was living in the island of Kauai, Hawaii.

And, uh, There’s so much. We dove so deep into so many things and especially if you’re spiritually orientated when it comes to topics around holistic health, personal development, um, transformation, psychology. This conversation is gonna is gonna really land in a particular way And Koot has a very unique background when it comes to spirituality.

He’s gonna share his backstory and He has a unique perspective that most people don’t have because most people have not seen What he has seen if not witnessed what he has witnessed and it is a profound opportunity to really drop into what I call the implicate perfection of how life is structured, how life operates when we’re paying attention to the rhythm and the ebb and the flow in the innate intelligence of life’s design.

And this conversation really symbolized it. And it’s incredibly fun. It’s, it’s a fun, it’s entertaining, it’s deep, it’s rich. It’s all, all the things you would want in an epic podcast. So I’m really grateful for the opportunity to drop in deep with Coop on a personal and professional level. You’re going to get so much out of this, I’m sure.

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That’s all capital letters. Life Mastery 10 for the coupon code for both BioOptimizers and Newtopia. The links are in the show notes below. And without further ado, let’s dive deep with my brother, with my friend, and with one of my mentors. Blackson enjoy greetings everyone. Welcome to another edition of the life mastery podcast show.

Today we have Koot Blackson. Koot is a dear brother. He is an amazing human being, a transformation coach, a bestselling author of multiple books, and, um, really a human potential specialist of the highest order. And that’s how I’m going to introduce Coot for the fifth time. I think on this cast. Yeah. Yeah.

It’s been five, five rounds we’ve done. 

Kute Blackson: I didn’t realize it was, it was that, so it was, it was, it’s a nice surprise to be back. 

Ronnie Landis: Yeah. Yeah. It’s such a pleasure to have you back, brother. And you’re such an inspiration and such a walking, talking role model and embodiment of human potential. Um, and, and, and, you know, we can, we could delve deep into like what that really means, especially from a spiritual metaphysical and physical level.

Cause you, you embody, you embody all those things. Some people have kind of one dimension or one area kind of down and that’s their thing. But you, you have this interesting melding or fusion and integration of, of, um, the metaphysical, the physical, the spiritual, and. Making things very practical, but not watering things down, being very real.

And I found a lot of, I found so much of your material to be such a source of practical wisdom. When I was going through some very impractical and confusing, uh, spiritual dilemmas, let’s put it. And so I’m excited to dive into this conversation. I just wanted to honor you real quick. 

Kute Blackson: Thank you. Appreciate you.

Ronnie Landis: Yeah, absolutely. And so for the audience, some of the people listening may not have listened to any of our prior podcasts. So I’d love to start off by just giving everybody a little bit of a recap. Like you come from a very interesting background with the history with your father and your mother and just your upbringing.

Um, if you could kind of catch us up and give for sure. Yeah, 

Kute Blackson: yeah, for sure. I was born in Ghana, West Africa, right? My father’s from Ghana. Um, my mother, he just passed away recently, uh, November 13th of last year, which was, uh, unique and amazing vibrational experience. And so my father’s from Ghana. My mother’s Japanese.

I grew up in London, um, lived in the U S for probably more of my life now, uh, 20 plus years, uh, partly in Mexico. So I felt, to be honest, I feel like I’m freaking from everywhere and nowhere. And people say, where, where are you from? Are you, are you, are you African? I’m like, yeah, but no. Are you Japanese? I’m like, yeah, but no.

Are you American British? No. Are you? Yes, but no. Are you, are you American? Yeah, no. And are you, and also don’t forget identify as Mexican part of the time. So, so I feel like I’m from everywhere and nowhere and more than anything, like a soul and a journey, you know, and, and, and that’s always been the case, uh, with the upbringing I had and, and on some level, um, Not only has it been a blessing, uh, I think as a young boy, uh, I didn’t feel like I fit in anywhere.

And so that was where maybe on a human level as a kid, that’s where the feeling of like, you know, egoic limitation felt in like, where do I fit in? I, I’m not black. I’m not this. I’m not, what am I? Right. But I think on a spiritual level, there was a huge. A gift there because it, it never let me like over identify with any sense of this or that it just kept the space open to like be everything and nothing.

And so that was a huge gift in many ways to be able to flow in different cultures and realities and dimensions. And so that was kind of my upbringing in that sense. But as a young boy, I always felt, uh, uh, I felt people’s pain very deeply, like psychically, and it was a lot, and I wanted to alleviate suffering in some way, and I didn’t know how that would look like, and so, a lot of people say kuya upbringing was a little interesting or different, and I’ll be honest.

I didn’t really I thought my upbringing was normal. I thought everybody had my childhood and everybody had my upbringing and I soon found out maybe it wasn’t that way in that like my first memories as a kid was seeing a crippled woman literally being maybe I was age seven calling on the floor. And she picks up the sand that this man walks on, wipes it on her face and stands up.

And so week after week, I grew up seeing blind people seeing and deaf people hearing and people standing up out of wheelchairs that they hadn’t walked in 10, 15, 20 years. And so this man was my father and, uh, and who’s hand to sand, she picked up and he was considered a miracle worker literally. Um, and these were miracles I was not seeing on YouTube or Instagram.

Like this is shit. I was seeing. Every day in front of me, not thinking anything was special about it. Like there’s nothing woo woo, nothing special, nothing. It was just happening. And I just thought like, Oh, it was very normal and I didn’t question it. And that was another blessing because it was like, Oh, this amazing things.

It was just happening. And, and, and so I grew up in this context of possibility. So my father had 300 churches in Ghana, West Africa, probably at his high. You know, hundreds of thousands, if not like a million followers at his height. Um, yeah, I had a lot, you know, he was the spiritual, like, teacher, guide, mentor to the kings of Ghana, to three presidents of Ghana, to heads of state of Ghana.

Many, many West African countries. And so he was very, uh, impactful in his own way. And, and he was a very mystical person. And I think that was a blessing where even though he had these churches, he went to India in the sixties and had these real enlightenment experiences and caves, you know, as a minister, you know, going to India and had his sort of awakening experiences.

So he was very metaphysical and spiritual and, and more of, I think, By the time I was born, a Christian, she was a mystic, uh, and almost like a spiritual African Siddha, uh, versus, uh, just a regular preacher minister. I mean, he was a Siddha given Shakti pattern who would touch people and people would, you know, fly across the room, start talking in tongues.

You know, 

Ronnie Landis: there’s no, there’s no media. That’s another thing that’s really interesting. So there he’s influential, but there’s no media going on. There’s no videos or 

Kute Blackson: it’s no show, no production. It’s not like these days where everything is about the show. When it was just, he was just doing what he was doing, you know?

So I could imagine in today’s day, right. You know, my dad is sort of like a combination between TV, Jake’s 

TV, 

Jake’s. Michael Beckwith meets, meets, meets Mukta Nanda, right? That’s, that’s my father. So he’d be like running through the church and then giving Shaktipat, but talking like metaphysical, God is everything.

We’re all one source, you know? And, and so it was fascinating. And, and, and so when I was eight, I started speaking in my father’s churches. When I was 14, I was ordained as a minister and I was given the mandate to basically. take over. I was the guy that was going to take over my father’s organization and take everything over.

And, uh, you know, I knew it wasn’t at 14. I knew that wasn’t my path, but like any kid, and like many of us, I was too afraid to speak my truth and too afraid to confront my father, who was very old school in nature. My father was the type of guy where. It’s my way or it’s my way. Like, which way would you like?

And, uh, I said nothing. And that’s when, for like four years, I went into this sort of internal questioning and dark night of the soul and, and, and internal conflict and just trying to figure out like, who the hell am I and what do I want? And what is life? And, you know, I felt my soul calling me to come to America.

I was thinking to my father’s, um, office, we live literally behind the church, like in an apartment attached to the church, and I was sneaking into my father’s office. in the middle of the night. Uh, and, and I go through his library and you would have maybe a thousand, 2, 000 books on, uh, Eastern mysticism.

People like, Mr. God out the Maharaj, you know, Ramana Maharishi, my Harishimag, Yogi Muktananda’s books, Yoga, Nanda’s books, autobiography of a Yogi to Good Jeff to Madam Blavatsky to Theosophy to Osho to, you know, uh, herbalism to meditation to Wayne Dyer, Louise Hay, Marianne Williamson. So I grew up reading.

I basically became a book addict at a very young age. So AJ, I started, I read my first self help book called creative visualization. And this was before this was by Shakti Gawain. And this was before like the secret and the law of attraction was sexy. And so I. Had my mind blown at age eight, man, with the sense of like thoughts become things and you can think some shit and then it happens.

And like, I can manifest the parking spot, you know? And so for an eight year old with an imagination, this was like revolutionary stuff. And that began my journey. And I must’ve read 700 books by the time I was 18. Uh, I would go to school. I hated school. I’d go to school, do my homework. And then for four or five hours at night, six to 11, I would read books and try to meditate and have these spiritual kind of experiences.

But when I was 18, 

Ronnie Landis: other kids are playing video games. You’re you’re reading books. That’s what you’re doing. 

Kute Blackson: Yeah. I, I, I would read books like on the bus. Coming home. Like I remember, you know, in London when I was 14, it wasn’t like the U. S. where self help was a thing, you know, in London, like there was nothing and there’s no spiritual section in the bookstore of WH Smith.

So I couldn’t find spiritual books that easily. I popped my father’s bookshelf, but I would sneak, I would, I found, I’ll never forget the day. It was like finding porn, right? For a teenager. I found a book called Watkins. If anyone’s in UK, Watkins is like, The spiritual bookstore in Leicester Square and I was walking in London and I was just like It was an experience of synchronicity and I was guided to like this street to another and I found Watkins and it’s like a spiritual new age spiritual bookstore that is massive, quite big for London.

Nothing but spiritual books. Chugging Trump, uh, you know, all these guys, all their books are there and I had my mind blown and I remember when I was 13, 14. I’ll never forget the day, man. I, I, I found this guy seven habits of highly effective people. Yeah. And at 14, this book was so methodically written like step by step by step.

And it was, it was a formula, you know what I’m like, Wow. And I never forget the moment where I was in Leicester Square, just sitting there for four hours reading through this book. And so for me, it was a passion. This whole self help spiritual thing was never a business. There was no social media. It was just like, I love this shit.

You know, I just, I live for it. I loved it. I would sneak into my father’s church in the middle of the night when no one was around and I would basically give seminars to the empty chairs. Just imagine in the darkness, right? With the lights off as an 11, 12 year old for three, two hours a night on Saturdays for four hours.

Cause no one was there and I would give seminars to the empty chairs, imagining I was, I was inspiring people. So for me, it was a real passion, but when I was 18, I knew I had to leave. I knew that I couldn’t do it through the structure of religion in an organized way as, as mystical as my father was, there was still this religious structure that I couldn’t, my soul couldn’t fit into.

And so that’s when I had the conversation with my dad and basically left everything, told him, left everything behind. We didn’t speak for two years and I came to the U. S. and it was really challenging, you know, but sometimes what your soul guides you to do. is not always convenient. In fact, most of the time it’s not convenient.

And what your soul guides you to do isn’t comfortable and it doesn’t make sense to your mind. But when you resist that, you get sick. When you resist that things don’t flow when you resist that, but you go crazy. And so I, I think if we follow our souls, I believe, and I’ve had enough experiences now to confirm you will always end up in the right place.

If you are uncompromising with 

your soul’s guidance. 

You will always end up in the right place, even if the journey that you take may not be the one that you expect, but the journey that you take will be the journey that your soul needs to go on to grow, to evolve, so that you can learn the lessons needed to become the version of yourself that you’re meant to be.

And so, I, I left everything, man. I renounced everything. Everything. I left everything. Made peace with I may never have a relationship with my father again and came to the U. S. Long story short, I won a green card in a lottery, the green card lottery. And that’s what brought me to America with two suitcases and 800.

And just started following a dream. And when I found like Wayne Dyer and Louis Hay, many, many of the teachers and mentors I’d read about when found them, went to the seminars, knocked on some of their houses, their doors and harassed some of them, you know, um, And just said, you know, I was 18. I did. I was innocent.

I just knocked on Jack Canfield’s door. Hey, I’m here, you know, and, and, and, and some of them were nice enough to spend some time and give me some advice and point me in the direction. And, and I learned from many of them until I felt like, you know what, I felt like I need a bit more. I want like. I want to know what truth is for myself.

I’m tired of reading this stuff. I’m tired of reading what that person’s opinion is. And that person said, and what Gandhi felt like, I want to know the truth. I want to know what Jesus talked about. I and my father are one. What does that mean? Because I understand it, but I don’t feel it. And so, life kind of fell apart.

And I broke up with my girlfriend at 21. And I decided I need to know and I was guided my journey really accelerated rather when I was guided to certain dreams. I had didn’t happen 

and 

and and everything I thought was wasn’t. And I was trying to do this TV show at the time to become like the next Oprah and shit fell apart unraveled.

And so did my sense of self esteem and identity. And so I said, God, what, I don’t know what you want from me, but I know I’m meant to do something in this lifetime. And I feel these visions to impact people, but I don’t know. I’ve tried everything. So what do you want? And that’s when I heard this voice that said, go walk the Camino.

So the first step was I went to walk the Camino in Northern Spain. Which is 900 kilometers. Oh, yeah. Right. And I met someone there that said, Hey, go to India. And so I ended up in India for like four months and met teacher and guru and light mystic and went through my own profound, like unraveling and in the crucible and deconstruction.

Ronnie Landis: Yeah. 

Kute Blackson: And just cracked open to another level of understanding myself and the nature of life and my purpose. And that’s when I. Came back to America and just started kind of working with people, not really knowing what I was doing, but began the journey and it just evolved from there. So that’s, that’s the short version.

Ronnie Landis: That’s a, that’s quite a fantastically synthesized yet deeply felt story. Thank you for, for going there and sharing all that. I mean, there, there’s so much, there’s so much to monkey branch on within that. There’s a few things that come up. Um, I’m going to, I’m going to put the one piece to the side. I want to ask you, what is your perspective on what actually heals the body?

Because, you know, as I think, you know, I’ve been in the holistic health world for a long time, as long as I’ve known you, um, and for about 13, 14 years, I came from like the David Wolf world. The raw food world and the biohacking world. And I’m thinking of like one of my friends, like Ben Greenfield. I was on his podcast and he talked about things like addiction and dopamine and brain health and all these, you know, biohacking is such a huge thing.

So there’s. So there’s so many, there’s so many ideas. There’s so many scientific, um, approaches, nutrition, health, cleansing, et cetera, et cetera. What I want to hear from you, I have my own theory, right? From a spiritual perspective, but what is your perspective and opinion on what actually heals the body based on what you’ve actually seen, what you just told us?

Kute Blackson: Sure. I’ll give you my thoughts and I’m not saying it’s reality. Um, And I’ll also give that other people haven’t seen. I have, uh, with my father and, and also, you know, let’s take it down a notch from like these dramatic miracles that heal, but also just, just being healthy myself, you know, uh, feeling healthy myself, red, like, like really getting sick and being someone that doesn’t theorize about health, but just.

Feels healthy, lives healthy, is healthy. Right? And, and so I’m not that, to be honest, like I’m not a sort of Ben Greenfield, you know, expert on certain things. I’m not a doctor, blah, blah, blah. I’m more a person in my life that it’s about living it and being it. And I might not be able to like say, yeah, I did it, but I can, I’m the guy that, I can run the 25 kilometers while other people are theorizing about it, I’m the one that runs it.

Right. And so for me, much of just my philosophy comes from just my experience, rather than like someone’s ideas, you know? And, and, and so what I would say is, and let’s jump to my dad a second. Yeah. Then I’ll, then I’ll share my thoughts. I, I asked my father when I got to my twenties, because we weren’t very close, but once we got closer, I asked him, how do you heal people?

Like, I’ve seen, I’ve seen some real, like once I was in my twenties, I realized maybe what I, what I experienced wasn’t like the norm that’s out there. Right. And so I thought, how do you heal people? Because when I was in America, there’s all chakra healing and Reiki this, this and that and Joe, this 

Ronnie Landis: and nobody’s healing 

Kute Blackson: and no one’s freaking healing.

And there’s like 7 million Reiki practitioners, but we’re like, people are freaking sick. So what’s the damn deal? And probably this and that and done like. If it works, shouldn’t it work? And so I asked my father, How do you do the healing? And my father, who was, you know, a bit of a, I don’t say, you know, a very bold, charismatic person, very humbly said that I have nothing to do with the healing.

I do not do this healing. He says, I am not the healer. He said, If anything, all I do is I see the inherent wholeness in someone. I see their true identity in all I see. In the true identity, not their sickness, not their body, not their limitation, because that’s not who they really are. All I see is that they are divine, that they are whole perfect manifestation of God.

I see the essence. I see the soul. And I see that clearly. And if they want to meet me in that place of seeing that reality, and we coming to agreement, healing happens. And he said, so all I do is I just see, and I get myself out of the way. And God does the healing, not me. And he said, I, as a person, have nothing to do with the healing.

It’s God. It’s the divine. I mean, Jesus himself said, you know, Jesus, to me, was like a way shower, more than anything. Someone who demonstrated the possibility of what we can be. And he said, the things I do, you can do these things and more. He didn’t say, I’m the great Jesus, you know, no one else can be like, he said, if I do it, you can do it.

And so Jesus said, as a miracle worker, it’s not I that does the work, but the father that does the work through me. It’s not I that does the work, but the father of consciousness, the divine mother, whatever you believe, it’s the father that does the work through me. And so I think. That was a code for me in my life to realize, huh?

And so I really believe that it’s not an individual identity, ego, person, healer, persona that heals or a thing that heals. If anything, it’s the innate intelligence. There is an innate intelligence inside of us. It is living us, it is breathing us, it is digesting our food, it is functioning us. Even without you and I go, like, we are breathing right now in this conversation, bro.

It’s true. And it’s happening. Breathing is happening in spite of us. I mean, yes, there’s breathwork, there’s a breath with that. But the bottom line, we’re not sitting here going, breathe, breathe, breathe, breathe, breathe, breathe. Being the one that is doing, it is being done. And so there is an innate intelligence that is our very being.

It’s our very existence. And I think if you cut your finger, right? Your finger knows how to heal itself. Your body knows how to heal itself. If we quit. A space, space of loving with the finger analogy, a clean space, keep it clean, but the innate intelligence inside knows exactly what to do to bring itself back into organic harmony.

I think that’s the beauty. And so I think. If we can create a space of compassion, a space of pure loving, a space of openness, nonjudgment, neutrality, and deep loving, then healing can happen inside of our nervous system. And so it’s not a person that is the healing, there’s an innate intelligence inside of us that heals.

When we disconnect from that and we think we have to do the healing and we think we’re the healer, then we become the doer, then we start getting in our way, then I think in many ways we interfere with the innate intelligence and we impose conditioning on the mind, the psyche, the body, a conditioning based on our own programming and belief system of how we think, like from the outside in, how we think a chakra should be and how we think your body should move and how we think our energy system should be rather than freeing up The layers of conditioning so that everyone can function in alignment with their own nature, rather than someone, someone’s programming.

And so, uh, I think for the West, It can be threatening to the ego because the ego wants to be the great healer. Like I’m the one that healed Ronnie. I’m the one that healed Coop. Look at me with my hands waving in great technique. I did it rather than the innate intelligence is really the healer. There is a healer inside of every single human that knows what to do.

Given the right conditions, if anything, we create the conditions and then the innate intelligence inside of someone can really do the work. And so, look, I’m all for exercise and, you know, I’m all for biohacking and all of that. I just did a red light therapy the other day, hyperbaric the other day. The challenge is and I love that shit, man.

I mean, I do the I’ve done, um, you know, NAD and stem cell. I love it. Oh, I love it. I love it. You know, hey, I’ll try it. Oh, the challenge I see, though, is sometimes we are getting so identified with this biohack everything. Biohack this, biohack that, biohack this, biohack that. That we kind of override the innate healing mechanism inside of someone.

You’ve got to have this diet. You’ve got to eat this food. You’ve got to eat this food at this time. And you’ve got to have this diet. You can’t eat kale. You’ve got to eat kale. Kale is shit for you. Kale is bad for you. This and that. Vegan. There’s a ketogenic. I’m not, I’m not saying there are certain things that might work.

It might not work. And might be, I’m not saying I eat McDonald’s and you know, crap like that. 

Ronnie Landis: You’re talking about the obsession. 

Kute Blackson: I did that in that talk about addiction, right? That’s right. Relationship with something is as important as the thing itself, the relationship with something. And so, you know, I know folks that eat really healthy, have this incredible, like, and they’re fricking miserable and they’re an asshole to their wife and they’re cheating and they’re living out of integrity, you know, and they’re not happy and they’re eating what they think they should be eating.

But they’re freaking, their vibration is so depressed doing that, right? Or they’re eating what they think they should be eating that may not be right for their own body, for that unique nervous system, you know, because they’re living. an externalized imposition rather than an inner, an inner process of their own natural sort of style for what is right for their health, you know, more so.

So to me, it’s innate intelligence. And I think if anything, We get to awaken that and remember that and get in touch with that again. 

Ronnie Landis: That was one of the best explanations I’ve heard on that question and it’s entirely, it’s, it’s exactly what I believe in, what I believe that I know. And I just want to say this too, like.

Exactly what you said in my own distilled way on the Ben Greenfield podcast, which we talked about spirituality and God, and you know, he’s a devout Christian. So we had a great conversation around that. And like what really heals the physical body aside from all the doodads. And I told him, I was like, At the core of it all, it’s the awakening and the activation of the human soul that actually powers the physical body.

Kute Blackson: That’s the source of energy. That’s the source of real energy. 

Ronnie Landis: Once you get through like ATP production and oxygen and hydrogen and carbohydrates and ketones and, and all those things, those are for cellular metabolism and all these little molecular, atomic, microscopic energy. Um, production, like, you know, analysis of what runs the human body.

Once you get past that, what actually really runs the, the system is the human soul. And I’ve found in my life, as I’ve healed my trauma, as I healed my subconscious belief systems, as I cleared the debris of my own, my own, um, Uh, programs, if you will say, and as I’ve healed myself and become more whole within myself, I’ve actually experienced an illumination of energy.

We, we call that consciousness, but I’ve, I’ve experienced, I’m experiencing right now in my life, like a complete expansion of spaciousness of energy. That is moving through my body, but I can also feel it beyond my body at the same time that partly be, you know, there’s, there’s certain supplementations that I’m doing, but it’s an inside out process.

It’s an, it’s, 

Kute Blackson: I think, look, if, if we are so wrapped up in our traumas, conditions, egoic nature, so identified that. The, the layers and layers of conditioning and hurt and trauma and insecurities that we’re so, and now we’re on top of that layering on NAD and doing stem cell and doing this and doing that, but we’re so wrapped up in our conditioning, the life force energy totally cannot flow.

And maybe, okay, we pop a pill and for a moment, we will gravitate back towards down to the set point of our condition nature. And if we’re carrying trauma, hurt, guilt, shame, pain, resentment, you know, comic, this, that, that, that, that, that, that, That is, that is vibrational heaviness that will exhaust you no matter what the hell you eat.

You can, you can drink the best movie on the planet, the best superfood, but it’s exhausting holding on to pain, hurt, guilt, shame from the past. You know, that heaviness resentment, that is the, I think the greatest energy drain. So as you said, when we free our consciousness and we heal those parts and love those aspects of ourselves and let go of layers and layers of conditioning source energy that we are can now naturally freely flow through us.

And now we can rest in touch with our true being. And I think the real source of energy more than a supplement. Even though I take supplements, but more than a supplement is, is the source beyond physical, the source of real energy is the source of life energy. It’s the source of all energy. It’s prana. So when we can release the layers of conditioning, we rest more in touch with the source about what we are, which is a source of all of life.

And then the source of all of life starts flowing through us. And we start now having like infinite forms of energy beyond just physical supplementation and food. 

Ronnie Landis: Yeah, thank you that I can feel people in the background listening to this just like just really getting activated from this because most people don’t have this perspective or it doesn’t necessarily come out in spiritual conversations.

That’s why I want to bring it up. Um, really quickly for time. Do we have a hard stop time now? We’re good, bro. I’m amazing. Okay, great. I just wanted to run it. 

Kute Blackson: I saw your name. I’m like, it’s Ronnie. Let’s go. 

Ronnie Landis: Okay. Amazing. Well, great. Cause I got a few, I got a few little, I got a few, a few things I want to get into.

Okay. So just on that point, just kind of transitioning wherever this takes us. But one of the things that came up for me when you talked about the Western world or the Western paradigmical like mind, the, the conditioning of the Western mind, it’s very formulaic. It’s very, um, Yeah. And Rudolf Steiner would have called it harmonic, but it’s very like materialistic, scientific or scientismic and the whole idea that I’ve seen over 2020 and now kind of looking at the metaphysics of all that in the East and the West is that there’s a particular agenda to strip spirit from matter.

To make everything material, right? And so that’s kind of like, you know, I don’t wanna get into a whole conspiratorial rabbit hole, but it’s, it’s kind of like a meta principle that I’ve seen. And that’s like the, that’s like the medical model. That’s kind of what we’re talking about of like idolatry and supplementation and, and, and, and diet and exercise, like idolizing the Things outside of us that are not intrinsically of spirit and then putting our, our, putting our power into those things.

Yeah. So I’m just curious what, um, what, what, what do you, what do you feel, from what I said, if anything comes to you like the state of the world, in other words, the state of spirituality, like what do you feel is, is going on right now? 

Kute Blackson: Mm-Hmm? , what do I feel is going on? Um, you know, I think there is, uh.

Investment, you could say in you, me, in you, not us, not knowing who we really are as spirit. Because if we don’t know, if we can be disconnected, separate, disconnected from that true source of energy, that true source of life, what we really are as. Infinite beings like we are fricking infinite beings, man.

That’s what we are. Let’s just get real. I was talking to someone about imposter syndrome. Heard I overcome imposter syndrome. I’m like, you are a fricking imposter. You are an infinite being, pretending that you are a little, little human form walking around where I’m not enough and I don’t know, you are infinite being pretending that you’re not at Im imposter.

Ronnie Landis: Yeah. Wow. That, 

Kute Blackson: that you’re not the divine. So yes, the real imposter syndrome. It’s not this imposter syndrome that you think it’s this game that we’re playing, forgetting that we’re infinite beings, but there is a, I think, um, an agenda, you could say in you not knowing and disconnecting and separating you and keeping you just on a, You know, surface, one dimensional level of your existence, you’re just this body, only what you can see, touch, taste, and feel, measure scientifically, this human form, because if you just believe you’re this body, that will, that is born, and then dies, and it’s all you can see, then Of course, you’re not.

Of course, you’re going to be afraid. And if you’re afraid, you can be manipulated. If you’re afraid, you can be controlled. If you disconnect from who you are, you think you’re just this thing, then you think you’re unworthy, not enough in comparison to everyone else, then you can be sold a bunch of stuff that you don’t need.

Try to feel okay. To try to feel secure, to try to feel enough. Like if you just, you know, have this watch and this phone and this, this, this underpants and this underwear and this lingerie and the socks and the shoes in this house, then. You’re enough. Like, just drink this drink, then you’re enough. And so I think we have to, to, to wake up from the, the trance that we, that the, the hypnosis, the hypnotic conditioning of the matrix, so to speak, that has an investment in you and I not knowing our true infinite nature, because if you know I’m not just this body.

Yes, this body is beautiful. It’s a, it’s a, it’s a vehicle, but it’s not the real essence of what I am. This body is constantly changing. So what am I and who am I? And so we get so distracted by BS, by TikTok, this and social media, that and a pandemic and this and that we get so distracted by all of this.

You know, illusion that we don’t even have freaking time to question who the hell am I, who what am I really because we’re just trying to like pay our rent and survive. And so on that level, you could say, yeah, there is an agenda. However, conspiratorial, conspiratorial people want to get but there is an agenda and we can just start with It’s money.

It’s power. That’s that’s the realm of the 3d world is money. It’s power. It’s control And so I think we have to be willing to wake up and I think that first step is to like question be willing to question Like who am I and what am I because when we start going deeper into ourselves we realize I’m not just this body and these beliefs.

Mm-Hmm. and, and this, this, this way of thinking and these stories, like I am infinite in nature. And that opens up a whole new dimension of freedom, I think to live in the world and be in the world as a spiritual being. And I don’t say spiritual from a place of like, ’cause I think, you know. This might ruffle a few feathers, but you know, you’re a real dude.

So I think we always get real on your show. Look, I think even in spirituality, this is the sense of like, Oh, you know, crystals and yoga and, you know, uh, just meditating and oming and incense and, and wearing a particular uniform. And like, this makes you spiritual. Not really. The truth is, I think what? What is spirituality?

You know, it’s not a function of form. It’s not a function of what you do. Yeah. It’s not a function of like, I did some mantra. To me, real spirituality is just recognizing that you are a spirit and I’m a spirit and living that. It’s not a function of form or doing, it’s a function of just beingness and being that, and so on that level, it doesn’t really matter what the fuck you do.

You could be a CEO in a company. You could be working in the post office. It’s about beingness less. about the doingness, which is similar to that scientific, like one dimensional thing. Oh, I’m doing the right things. Yeah. But what about beingness? And so more and more personally, um, I’m less interested in spirituality.

I’m less because 

Ronnie Landis: yeah, 

Kute Blackson: this might sound strange, but I’ll say, but you might, I think you’ll get what I’m saying. Spirituality is becoming boring to me. 

Ronnie Landis: Totally. Totally. 

Kute Blackson: I’m losing interest in it because the, somehow it creates a sense. Separation. Separation. I’m spiritual. You’re not spiritual. They’re spiritual.

I’m not spiritual. This community is spiritual. We’re not spiritual. When the truth is, we’re all spirit. Spirit is manifesting itself in the multiplicity of form in all things and all of life is spirit seeking to experience different dimensions of flavors of itself. Spirit seeking to experience. So real spirituality, I think, is, is just, you know, The recognition of the inherent oneness of all things.

And so what does that look like? Yeah. Well, I hate Trump. Well, I hate Biden. Well, if it’s all spirit and it’s all a manifestation and a play, totally. 

Ronnie Landis: Yeah. Right. 

Kute Blackson: Can we see the totality of spirit unfolding and dancing and expressing itself in this unique art piece of life and find the underlying oneness?

In life, rather than the separate division, that doesn’t mean we’re not going to be discerning. That doesn’t mean I’m going to go and drink a glass of gasoline, you know, but, but to see the inherent oneness in the play of duality that is underlying, like, wow, the same force that is manifesting Trump is the same force that is manifesting Biden is the same intelligence that is manifesting to all in this one man, one woman show called existence.

And I think to be able to feel underneath that is, is, is a deeper spirituality, you know, and so for me, spirituality is less about form. It’s more about just who you’re being and less about what you do and just more about like, be freaking kind, you know, because if you cut, because if you’re kind, then, then you are honoring the spirit in another person.

Right. And so I know so many folks. And I’ve been there. I’ve done this myself. I’m guilty of it. I’ve been, I’ve, my hands are up where I know many folks that they’re just not being nice people. They’re not being kind people. They’re, they’re, they’re being a jerk or an asshole, but I’m doing my mantras and my spiritual practices.

It’s like when in front of you in that form of that person, that homeless person, that person in Starbucks, the person in Whole Foods, Is a manifestation of God, 

but you 

want to go on your yoga mat and navel gaze and narcissistically function on your own rather than feeling the inherent oneness that is living and alive in that person in traffic like that to me is real spirituality.

So I say. It’s not some woo woo thing. It used to be like some woo woo thing that I had to go to India for, you know, and, and almost it’s become, can you be kind? Can you show up and do what you say? Can you, you know, honor your agreements and live in integrity, you know, rather than, you know, All of the sort of trappings on the surface.

So, you know, I mean, that’s what comes up as you talk 

Ronnie Landis: so incredibly well put. I mean, this, this, this recording is literally the best thing ever. And there’s two things that come up for me, like that. I think are really powerful insights that I’ve also been processing in. Integrity integrating into my own framework in my own lived experience, plus all my research and kind of sifting through and filtering through all of it.

You know, as I know you have, I’ve been in the, the, the conscious culture, the country culture, the medicine culture, the holistic health culture, all the, all the, Interwoven like conscious culture, spiritually associated cultures. And I have some of the best friends and some of the best people in the world from it.

And i’ve also met some of the biggest charlatans And some of the biggest backstabbers and some of the biggest whatever label you want to put on it Because it’s all just a dance of consciousness But i’ve i’ve i’ve met the duality in all of it And so just, you know, there’s a lot of discernment in that, in that regard.

And with that said, I want to, I want to kind of touch on this thing about integrity, because, you know, especially I think for as men and as we get older, for me, for sure, this word integrity really starts to become like the North star. And I do a lot of work with somatic trauma release therapies and nervous system regulation and all these kinds of things.

And the one thing that you, you talk, the one thing that you. We work with is this, this idea of integration. If somebody doesn’t plant medicine ceremony, they need to do an integration and integration and integrity are actually the same thing. They mean the same thing, right? So, so in order for, so this is an interesting thing that I realized just like the communication of the quantum technology that is your, your multi dimensional body.

And it’s always communicating to us and vice versa. Yeah. The to the degree that we are not in integrity with ourselves, our thoughts, our words, our actions, what we say we’re going to do and what we actually do to the degree that we’re not in integrity is the degree that we’re not integrated is to is the degree that the physical body registers the lack of integration.

As a stress response, if you imagine that’s a form of disconnection. 

Kute Blackson: Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. 

Ronnie Landis: So if I say that I am something or that I am being something, but I’m not actually being it, there’s a subconscious like tracking mechanism that registers, Oh, there’s something, there’s something out of alignment and it creates a stress response.

That that’s a really interesting Thing that I came to realize through my own experience. I’d love to know your thoughts on that. 

Kute Blackson: Yeah. I think that’s a beautiful way of putting it. Like when, when, when there’s something you say in who you’re being that’s out of alignment, I think there’s a, there’s a, it’s like an engine that’s not, not, not like in sync colonization.

Right. And so when, when, what you say, and I think what happens too, you know, when, when you say something and you do it, 

it, 

it, it, It creates an inner alignment. It creates an internal layer of, like, self trust. And that is like a sort of emotional deposit also in your own psyche, in your body, in your nervous system.

And so what I think starts happening is, And people thought, I don’t have confidence. Yeah, because you’ve lied to yourself every day about so many things about who you are, about what you feel, about what you want, about what’s real, about what’s true, about what you’re feeling. And so I think when we say, and we do, it comes into alignment.

And again, and again, and again, we begin to trust ourselves. We begin to trust ourselves. And that self trust turns into a sense of Internal confidence, true confidence and integrity and, and, and like energetic power and energetic inner authority where we believe ourselves. We actually believe ourselves, you know, and we believe who we are, whether it’s being reflected back to us, whether anyone likes it or not.

Because we know who we’re being, whether anyone’s there or not. So the integrity isn’t for someone else, it’s really for ourselves. And because we know, then that is a sort of internal, not perfection, but, but a sense of unshakableness inside. And I think that’s power. And that Resonates, you know, and then when we’re not split off from ourselves, then energy can circulate, 

then 

energy can flow rather than it’s kind of flowing, but it flows off here to the side, because we’re not in sync in that loop of saying, you know, what we say, what we do, who we’re being isn’t Right.

Right. Connected than energy just doesn’t flow fully and we don’t feel the full flow of relaxation and energy. And so, uh, I think that when we are in integrity, we flow and as energy flows, power is generated as power is generated. You could say you could say stole force. Is activated as soul force is activated.

Then it affects the vibration of our words, then the same words that we speak have different impact because they’re coming from a different place. Infused with a different energy, then our actions have different impact because now our actions are in sync and coming from a different place and infused with the sort of integrated energy of our souls.

That’s when I think we can really. So our being resonate and make a difference and then our actions have like 50 times more impact in the world than those around us with the energetic force. And so I think, I think integrity is key. I think integrity is like, that’s like real spirituality. 

Ronnie Landis: That’s, that’s exactly what I was thinking when you were talking about that,

you know, like, so, okay, so you wrote a book on surrender and I’ve done a quite a bit of this, this, this, uh, gymnastics, this mental gymnastics, uh, you know, uh, game of surrendering and, and, and been through so many different processes of like surrendering. I believe I’m surrendering. I don’t know if I’m surrendering.

I don’t know how to surrender. God, are you really there? Oh my God. Like you’ve always been here. I don’t know. It’s like I’ve gone through so many different ups and downs and like, like somersaults with this thing. And I intrinsically innately, I know at my core what that is. And I’ve experienced those moments of Samadhi, those experiences of rapture in ceremony and outside of ceremony.

Um, . And so what, what I wanna, I wanna get into that with you and like what that really means. But one thing that came up to me that came to me that I thought was really interesting insight to me, this is my opinion from a neuro, if, if I were to like put a scientific lens on like, okay, what’s happening in the body to kind of confirm a surrendered state.

Mm-Hmm. , I would say like neuroscientifically, it would have to be like neuroplasticity. Yeah. Yeah. Like when the brain is so plastic and free and it’s, it’s not, it’s tracking novel experiences and it’s able to learn on the fly, but not being constrained or controlled. That made sense to me. I was like, okay, I get, okay, got it.

I get that. So to what you just said, in order for me to be that I have to be an integrated, I have to be in integrity with who I’m being to even get to a state of surrender. What do you think? 

Kute Blackson: Yeah, I think so. I think, I think that that analogy of the sort of neuroplasticity softening of the, of the brainwaves, maybe of the energy in the body of the nervous system, I think is key because if we’re tightened, right, we’re going to be so locked in that there’s no openness to us.

And I think part of surrender requires a flexibility and, uh, an openness, and it doesn’t mean you’re a wet noodle. You can take a stand for something, but there’s difference between having a stand for something and like a fixed position that is so rigidly rooted in identity, like I’m vegan and that’s it.

And you know, versus this is what I believe versus I take a stand for this, but, but there’s still a fluidity inside of that stand that’s not. A rigid position rooted in egoic identity, and so I think if we can rest in that, there’s a, there’s a freedom. There’s a freedom inside of us, and so yeah, surrender, you know, surrender feels, look, surrender, I would say, is what is natural.

Surrender is our natural state. It is. Our innate nature. As, as children, we were surrendered. We jumped on the table. We laughed, man. We were just in flow. We weren’t like, what’s going to happen tomorrow? And I’ve got to control the situation. We were just being, looking around, just in the moment, just in the flow.

One with what was arising. We cried when we felt like it. We laughed when we felt like it. We were curious. We weren’t, we weren’t so rigid in the plasticity of our mind. That we already knew what everything was and what everything was going to happen. And I already know who Ronnie is. So I’m not going to be around Ronnie because I already know who Ronnie is.

And so there’s a rigidity of already knowing and seeking to know as a way of egoic control and protection. And so a child, that’s why they’re curious. You know, events happen. They don’t know what it means, right? Until they’re told. This means that, and this means that, and Black people are this, and Republicans are that, and, you know, Jewish people are this, and those people are like that, and this is like this, and so, but they don’t know.

Pablo Escobar walks in a room, they don’t have a rigid position on that, he’s just, he’s just a human that’s there, there’s no, and so I think we, from a conditioned place, We make up so many meanings about things based on the rigidity of our brain and our nervous system and our, and our, and our sort of personalities and personas.

And, and so part of surrender is the willingness to not know. Part of surrender is the willingness to trust deeper than the mind and the willingness to. Not project meaning onto things, you could almost say to live in the fullness of meaninglessness to live in the fullness of there’s no meaning so that you can allow the true essence and the true nature of a thing.

Of a person of an experience to reveal itself to you. Otherwise, what happens is from that rigid place, we go into an experience, we go into a relationship and we’re already so tight in our brain waves, as you mentioned. And we’re like, we tried to then fit that person into the rigidity of our brain. This is who they are.

This is my soulmate. This is what they’re going to be. I’m going to marry this person. You’re going to be this for me. Boom. And we’re not actually open to the greater revelation of intelligence of what the true, let’s say, energetic and karmic unfolding and highest possibility of what is seeking to happen in the interaction, let’s say, in a relationship with a person or in a certain situation, because we’re already fitting it.

We’re putting limitations on it fitting into a limited idea. So surrender is a willingness to say, I don’t freaking know what this is in this moment, but I’m, I don’t know what this relationship meaning is. I sent something. But I’m willing to not know. And I’m willing to allow it to be revealed to me. I’m willing to allow life to to show me allow life in its innate intelligence to reveal itself to show me so that it can unfold.

And now I don’t have to limit life and project onto it, then life, then we start living, you could say, unlimitedly, rather than like creating our future from the limitation of our past. And I think that’s like to free fall. That’s to live open. That that’s, you know, people don’t talk about the power of now, the power of knowledge has been the now, but that’s the power of now where you’re not projecting the past into the moment.

So you can allow the moment to reveal its highest intention to you. And I think that is part of surrender. So in a nutshell, yeah, it is a letting go of control. It is a, uh, taking the limitations off of life. It is a willingness to like, not force life to fit your limited ideas so that you You can be available.

Mm-Hmm. , it’s an availability. Yeah. And when you, but but then when you feel the, the, the, the intelligence of life showing you this is what it, oh, I thought it was gonna be this. Like how many times have you, me, we, how many times have we. We were sure what something was. Absolutely. Absolutely. You’ve been there.

Absolutely. I met my woman. I met my soulmate. This is it. You couldn’t imagine. And what you were so sure about, wasn’t. And then you meet someone and you’re like, what you’re so sure isn’t, actually is. And then it opens up this deep humility of like, I think this is part of spirituality, you know, it’s not knowing something it’s not, it’s the willing, the degree to which you cannot know who you are not know what something is, then it opens up the sense like, you know, you’re going spiritually when you realize, I don’t know shit about shit anymore.

Like that is the greatest freedom. Like, I don’t know. I don’t, you know, the Bible talks about in order to enter the kingdom of heaven. Yeah. Kingdom of heaven being like a state of being, a free state, a peaceful state, a blissful state. You must be like a child in the sense of being innocent without projection.

So then you realize, I don’t know anything. And there’s a freedom that comes to not have to know and be intelligent. And so the ego mind, that perceived sense of what we believe ourself to be based on our conditioned nature, Uh, seeks to control experiences by trying to understand what everything is and trying to understand what things are and what things aren’t because we mistakenly think that if I can analyze and understand what everything means, then I can control it and I won’t get hurt like I was hurt when I was five and I didn’t understand it then and it was too painful.

So now I’m going to understand everything and figure everything out so that I can kind of create a strategy for everything. And I’m not going to get hurt. And not only is it limiting and rigid, but it, it inhibits our capacity to flow and be present. And so, you know, the ego is that perceived sense. Of what we believe ourself to be is the sense of identification.

So when we’re not surrendered, and we’re really, you know, in our egoic identification, that’s the rigidity, and it’s holding on to this is who I am, this is what I believe this is what is this is the way the world is, this is the way things this is, and that creates duality and split and division and divisiveness.

And, and the ego is not even a real thing. It’s just a process of identification. And the degree to which we have been conditioned to believe that’s what we are in rigidity. It’s the degree to which we’re free. We don’t have free will. We just end up living life and reacting to life and relationships from the conditioning of our past, repeating it into the future.

And so, uh, you know, ego doesn’t want to change, man. Ego doesn’t want, it wants everyone else to change, but it doesn’t want to change. And its job, ego’s job is to reinforce its existence. 

Ronnie Landis: Yes. 

Kute Blackson: And its job is to try to protect us from getting hurt again, which is an impossible task. And that’s where the limitation is.

And so surrender is, is that relaxation, is the openness. And yes, I think. Uh, relaxation in the brain, relaxation in the body, relaxation and nervous system, a relaxation of the holding on to our conditioned sense of self. And so surrender for the ego, which is why it can feel so hard to change. It’s a feeling like it feels hard to change because surrender for our ego, our perceived self feels like a death.

It feels like who I am is dying, but. It’s not really that we’re dying. It’s just that what we’ve identified ourselves as is dying, you know, and, and that’s, that’s why, uh, it can feel scary, but it’s, it’s our nature. And I think when we understand that, in fact, it’s our nature is what we are then. And it’s, and I believe it’s, it’s actually easy.

Like if you hold on, if I’m holding onto a pen right now, if I were to, Let it go. Like, how easy is that? You know, but we’ve just been conditioned to hold on. And so I think if we can just realize, Oh, what’s dying isn’t me. You know, so who am I? And it’s just beliefs and ideas and holding on identification.

Ronnie Landis: And it feels hard because we’ve been conditioned. So our brain’s neurocircuitry have been circuited because they’ve been conditioned and hardwired. So that’s why it feels hard and difficult to do because we have a maladapted threat detection, self preservation. Mechanism called like the the faulty ego and I don’t want to insult the ego as an entire as a totality, but the Threat detecting everything is a threat.

I’m always in a sympathetic overload. I can never relax I always have to preserve and protect everything except anything to do with anyone else, but I have to protect myself Yeah the control that control mechanism um I just, it’s just such a trip because like everything that you’re talking about within the self reflected house of mirrors of life, this holographic reality that, that we live in, it’s all in a total mirror for everything that I am, I am going through in deconstructing and reconstructing or being reconstructed.

I should say that more appropriate, more accurate. Yeah, I’ve gone through some gnarly inner, inner, um, you know, disillusions I’ve been through all of this. And one of the things that you said, you know, about like, you, you know, you’re growing spiritually when you come to a place where you recognize that you don’t know anything about anything.

And I thought it was interesting for me because I’m recognizing that Even when I give lectures or I, I talk about certain things that I have knowledge about, I recognize there’s more of a fluidity. Like it’s more like, it’s more like I’m tracking out loud versus I’m like saying it empirically, like Oh, this is a matter of fact, it’s more like, no, I’m just tracking what I see in the constellation of ideas, but it’s not like held on to as tight.

Like when I was a raw vegan or things that I knew for sure, without a doubt. And then eventually 10 years later, I changed my diet because you know, things change. So I thought that was interesting and 

Kute Blackson: that’s freedom, you know, that’s the freedom, the freedom, like we live in a world. Of infinitely valid, but simultaneously contradictory realities inherent in the nature of life.

Infinitely valid, but simultaneously contradictory realities like what may be right in one reality is not right in another reality. What may be right in in in in Ghana, not going to be right in in Switzerland. And so what might be moral in Papua New in in in in Sweden, not going to be moral, uh, in Papua New Guinea.

And so we live in a world that is equally valid, but simultaneously contradictory realities inherent in the nature of life. But when we’re locked in, in the egoic rigidity, we’re not able to flow. We’re unable to sort of fluidly, flexibly, you know, navigate the different realities. We’re just stuck in one reality and one way of being, which is not free.

And then it limits our ability to, like, be in the now, be in the moment, be present, be surrendered, because we’re. Clinging to some outdated reality from five years ago or from someone else that doesn’t allow us to be who we are in in this moment. And I think, you know, one other thing, talk about spirituality, talk about freedom is for me.

As I have, as I go deeper into my spiritual path and my practice, it’s like the deeper I go, the less choice I feel I have. 

Ronnie Landis: Oh, this is good. 

Kute Blackson: The deeper I go, the less choice I feel I have. The freer I am, you know, whereas before, like more in the egoic level, like, yay, I, I do whatever I want, whenever I want, whoever I want, I’m fuck whoever I want.

I’m just free to be like, whatever I want to be whenever I want to be that actually the more choice I think I have, the more limited I actually am. 

Ronnie Landis: Yeah. 

Kute Blackson: You know, and so, so because as I, as I’ve really gone deeper into my own. Source and nature of like, who am I really then, you know, that feeling of like my will and I will, yes, just becomes one, you know, and there’s things that I used to do just can’t do anymore.

It’s no longer a vibrational match. It’s no longer aligned. It’s no longer. The phase of my life. It’s no longer in integrity and I could do it, but it’s not truly in alignment and truly freeing and doesn’t actually in the long run, bring me more energy because it doesn’t have integrity, you know? And so sometimes, uh, the choices shrink where you’re like this, this right here is really the highest evolutionary path that is seeking to unfold right now.

And this is it. Like when I wrote the book, the magic of surrender, bro. It wasn’t the book I wanted to write. I wanted to write a different book. You know, I studied all the best selling books, the magical, you know, was it the magical art of tidying up, bestseller, the subtle art of not giving a fuck, all these books with the crazy titles.

I’m like, I’m going to write a bestselling book, come up with a crazy title, a nice gimmick of a hook, you know, and my publisher would love it. What book would my audience want? I had an entire strategy of a whiteboard of books. I, I thought would be like the next level sell 50 million copies and they’re great ideas.

But none of them, if I was honest, felt authentic. They just felt like gimmicks. None of them felt true. And the only word that stood out for me, if I was honest, was the word surrender. And I thought, shit, man, that’s, that’s the book that’s calling me like shit, but really. And so I had to, like, who’s going to buy that?

Like, who’s going to, we know we should, but we run away from it most of our lives. But I thought it was undeniable. That’s the book that is seeking to be written. That’s the topic. That is it. So I had to just let go and surrender to the book that was seeking to be written. And then I realized that’s the flow.

You know, like, like it felt like I as an individual separate self, I don’t have a choice anymore. I could have resisted it. And I’m going to write a book about manifestation and purpose. Maybe it would have done okay, but it certainly wouldn’t have felt in flow and talk about that stress on the body. I would have felt that because I’d be speaking to Ronnie going.

I’m kind of bullshitting myself about what’s true and I would know it and you would feel it, you know, and be like, rather than this is it right here. And so then it felt like I didn’t have a choice anymore. And I think in that sense of like choiceless choice is the is the infinite freedom. And that surrender is when we transcend ourselves, we transcend our limited egos, we transcend personal power, and we move into a, we tap into another dimension of possibility and life and flow.

And I have found in my real lived experience that that’s when. Life in its innate intelligence begins to flow through us. That’s when God begins to manifest through us. That’s when the universe begins to use us and function through us, and unfold through us in ways that we cannot imagine. And we recognize that we’re no longer the doer and life is doing all of it and everything gets done even though we’re doing nothing and we begin to witness, we might still be taking action, but doesn’t feel like I have a separate sense of self I’m doing anymore.

Life is doing and we’re being used to do. And that’s, that’s what I found is the greatest freedom. And I think that’s, that’s the path we’re on, you know? 

Ronnie Landis: So beautifully said. Wow. Um, yeah, yes. I’m just going to say yes to that. I think. I have, I have one, one last question to integrate all this in the last couple of years, what, what has been the one experience that you’ve had, or maybe the lesson that came out of it, that’s, that’s impacted you personally the most.

Kute Blackson: Yeah, I think it’s the, it’s the humbling of realizing I don’t know anything, you know, when COVID hit, bro, I forget, I think we spoke in the middle of somewhere in there, but when COVID hit. , you know, I was like, this is bullshit. You know? Uh, I was traveling nonstop for work and, and loving people, serving people, and, you know, everything stopped for everyone.

And I was like, why? You know, and, and, and, and I was a bit frustrated with the whole experience, to be honest. And, and, um, I ended up moving. I was in la I le I, I ga, I left my house apartment in la. I left after 20 some years, right? So it was a big deal. I left my house in L. A., apartment in L. A., left, left my office in L.

A., uh, had a house in Phoenix. So I was in Phoenix for a while, which is a, I love Phoenix to go back and forth, but to live was a culture shock. That was a death in and of itself. I was in a relationship with a woman. In that time, I was sure was the one man, the cosmic signs every I was sure was it was like I seen her in the stuff like this is something I was so sure was so clearly wasn’t.

And that really. Wow. Forced me to surrender to my own surrender, you know, message of like, you want to understand the nature of the universe and you want to understand the nature of surrender, let me show you the sort of inner nuances of it, you know? And it was like, just when what you think isn’t, just when what you think is, so isn’t, and when you’re so sure it is, then it so isn’t, it’s like, that humbles you.

And, and, and so, you know, what happened for me was then I, then I moved from Phoenix. Phoenix, and then I moved to Miami, and then I was sure like, I’m moving to Miami. That’s, that’s the next, you know, 25 years of my life after a year of being in Miami universe, like, we’re moving back to la. I’m like, what the hell is going on?

Like, but, but the flow was there. Like not what I imagined, but that’s what the flow was. And, you know, long story short, um, the lesson of like, realizing I don’t know anything because. Also, even on a personal level, the entire process, brother, just led me to, to meet my wife 

and, 

and, you know, someone who was completely took me by surprise.

I didn’t expect, I didn’t, didn’t fit my ego identities, initial sort of like paradigm yet was everything I could have imagined. To be honest, more, more in total. Yin Yang complimentary alignment for my soul that I could not have like, I could not have planned it. And Just a short example is I was in Miami and I, I was, I was living in Miami, but I was in Egypt and I heard the voice that said, go to Brazil.

No idea why no talk about making human, like, does this shit really work? Heard a voice go to Brazil. I surrendered to it. No idea why ended up in Brazil. Long story short, met her in the most random way that I didn’t think was possible. And here she is, you know, and, and so it just showed me like. The cosmic joke that, that God, or whatever we want to call it, God, intelligence, the goddess, you know, is the cosmic joker that is laughing and, and, and, and, and, and, and sort of the divine comedy of existence, like, what do you know?

And I thought, what a cosmic joke when you think what is, isn’t, and what isn’t actually. And that was, uh, really profoundly humbling. And so through that. To experience the profound, uh, blessing of being loved, you know, beyond what I could have even imagined for myself, you know, everything I’ve given people over the years in my work, it’s like, it’s like sort of a karmic return coming back to me and after everything seemed to be like, Unravelling has been sort of the divine teaching of like, well, here you are, you know, keep surrendering, keep surrendering, keep surrendering.

And so it’s been beautiful, you know, and it’s crazy. I was looking at my wife the other day. Uh, just, she was over there in a room. I was doing an event and I thought, wow. I actually blessed COVID, man. I’m like, I couldn’t believe like, like whatever we want to call it, you know, blah, blah, blah. But I was like, wow, if that experience didn’t happen as, as, as whatever it is that it is, but if that experience didn’t happen, I would not have moved to Phoenix full time.

And I would not have had the space in my schedule and I would not have moved to Miami. Had I not moved to Miami, I wouldn’t have. I was so close to Brazil. So I wouldn’t have gone to Brazil. I wouldn’t have met her. And so now all these things in retrospect, I started to understand like, Oh, and so often when we’re in an experience, shit’s falling apart.

Yeah. We’re in a dark night of the soul breakup. We’re being crushed by. The divine sledgehammer of life, you know, and on top of that, we’re being run over by the divine Mack truck. Simultaneously, we feel like nothing makes sense from the lens of the ego’s perspective, because from the ego’s perspective, it doesn’t make sense.

And we’re not able to see the, the, the possibility, the infinite possibilities of what are happening. And often it’s only looking back now that we’re like, Oh, that’s That that’s why that divine crushing needed to happen so that more expansion could be there so that I could be fully available. And so if anyone is 

going 

through a dark moment or a challenging moment, you know, it may not make sense in the moment.

And you’ve heard it, but it may not make sense in the moment. But trust that the universe in its intelligence is unfolding itself. And let go. And if you let go, you create space. You create space. That’s when more of grace can flow into your life. And I’ve seen it in my life. And I really believe it’s possible for everyone.

Ronnie Landis: Wow. Wow. Well, congratulations. I’m so happy to hear that for you. Thank you, man. Wow, that, well, that was a great bow and tie on this entire conversation. This is by far the best conversation we’ve ever done. And everyone has been the best up to that moment. Nice, brother. It feels like a deeply humbling and grounding and anchoring and, Um, I’m in a completely different state of being with my life, my mission, my purpose, just my entire being as a man.

Um, almost 40 revolutions around the sun in two and a half years. So it feels like life is just about to get started. The training wheels are about to come off and that’s a lot to say, because I’ve lived a full life on top of many, and I know you understand that. And, uh, this conversation feels like a bit of a springboard in the moment in time that I’m in, in this.

It’s a moment in time that I know so many people are in right now going through their own crucibles, learning what it is to bear their own cross. The responsibility of their soul’s mission and duty and all the deconstructing and all the unraveling that’s had to happen the last couple of years into this now moment.

So I, for me, this is, this is absolutely a blessing. And I believe for everyone listening up to this point. You are an absolute blessing to all of us into this world. So with that said, um, where can everybody find more about you, your books, any, your work, your courses, all of it. 

Kute Blackson: Yeah. A few simple ways. Um, well, first I just want to say something, bro.

Like I really appreciate the invitation. And the space that you hold in the interviews just, uh, you know, to go deep and in the interviews, there’s the energetic sort of invitation of like, Hey, infinity, let’s go. So I love it. And I feel the depth of your, your being in your spirit. And, um, I didn’t know we were going to have the interview until I just, I’d look at my schedule.

And so I’m like, wow. And then you told me it’s the fifth time. So I really. Just appreciate always your warm welcome and your heart and, uh, feel nothing but love from you. And to me, that’s real spirituality, you know, where there’s no separation. It’s just like nothing but love from a fellow brother. So I appreciate that very much.

Very much, bro. Um, Yeah, a few ways. Number one, uh, my book, The Magic of Surrender, people can find out, uh, go to Amazon, check it out. It’s a simple roadmap to living surrender in life. Uh, my main website, blackson. com, K U T E, blackson. com. Uh, twice a year I do an event to Bali. This is the last year I’m doing my Bali events.

Okay, I’ve done, I’ve done 20 of these events in the last 10 years, and so, uh, this will be number 21 in July, and so July the 28th through August the eighth will be the 21st. So if someone feels inspired from the conversation and they want to like dive deep and clear their conditioning and connect to their deeper truth and live their gifts, they can go to www boundless bliss barley.com.

That’s boundless bliss barley.com and find out more. Um, and Instagram to Blackson Facebook could love now. 

Ronnie Landis: Beautiful. Well, brother, thank you so much for everything and for this call and everyone listening. Thank you for making it this way, this far into our conversation. And we will see you in the next episode.

Much love.