Ronnie Landis: Greetings, my friend. Welcome to a new episode of the life mastery podcast show. I’m your host as always Ronnie Landis, and we have an incredible conversation lined up for you today. I bring on amazing woman, an amazing therapist, an amazing professional. Her name is Heather Ivany, and we had. A really incredible conversation that really spanned so many dimensions of the holistic human experience.

We go really deep into the Akashic records of the soul. If you’re not familiar with the Akashic records, it’s basically like the cosmological, the database of the astral realm or of the cosmic realm, essentially all the stored information of our soul’s memory imprints from this life and all lives prior.

And whether or not you believe in that kind of thing, This conversation will definitely intrigue all parts of your brain, your right brain, your creative, imaginative brain, as well as your analytical, literal, logical brain as well. The thing that I love about this conversation and that I appreciate about Heather is that She’s very grounded.

She’s very rooted into the 3d into the practicalities of everyday life. She is a mother. She runs multiple businesses. I believe she has a coaching and therapy practice. She takes people through Akashic record readings and helps them transmute Trauma essentially, you know, that’s the thing that we talked about in this, this episode is trauma transmutation.

And I don’t want to go too deep into the intro, but we go into some really interesting territories and some interesting angles on topics like trauma on the topic of the Akashic records that I’ve never really heard anywhere else, or I’ve never heard another speaker or podcast guest go into. So, and. I know that you’re going to really enjoy this episode.

Ultimately what this episode is really about is increasing life force capacity and becoming your greatest self and how to understand yourself, understand the different things that have happened in your life, how to make sense of it, how to put the puzzle pieces together and how to transmute The weight, the density, the gravity of the past and allow it to work for you so that you can move forward in your life as a whole human being and to dispel the illusion of brokenness, to remove the illusions that were broken or that were wounded or something’s wrong with us and actually let all that go so that we can move forward as a whole, healthy, complete.

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Heather Ivany: Thanks for having me pleasure to be here with you today.

Ronnie Landis: Absolutely my pleasure as well. I was really looking forward to this conversation. I was just. Dropping into one of the podcasts that you’ve done, uh, for a man named Guy Lawrence and shout out to Guy And really amazing conversation. It was the first thing that i’ve heard from you I received an email from your assistant as you know as we do as podcast hosts and in most of the emails that I receive I I don’t even really open.

Um, just because they don’t resonate or I just don’t have time quite honestly And every now and then I will open one and uh, it just really resonated with me. I just, I just saw your website and said, yeah, that, that feels good. I’d love to dive into that. And then when I heard your podcast within the first five minutes, I was really excited.

I knew that we were going to cover some really interesting and, um, powerful territory. And in a lot of things that were very, front and center for my own life right now as I’m in a once again in a very initiatic Um, self mastery and transformation process. And so I’m really looking forward to this conversation and where it takes us.

Heather Ivany: Likewise. That’s, that’s a great, uh, way to segue into wherever it is that we’re going to go. I’m in your hands. Keep going. 

Ronnie Landis: Beautiful. So there’s a number of things I want to delve into. You have a really beautiful way of explaining. The human transformation process in the framework of like becoming what are we becoming?

Who are we becoming? What are we remembering that we forgot to remember when we came here? That’s something I want to unpack with you. And also this whole thing around the Akashic records. Um, you know, this is, this is something that I’ve, I’ve, you know, dabbled when dabbled with, and also gone really deep into having Akashic records.

Um, Ceremonial sessions, let’s say, in, um, you know, years past and also recently something I’m very, very familiar with, and I’d love to just open the conversation up for myself and also for all the listeners about. What are the Akashic records, demystifying them, whatever comes to mind to start us off about the Akashic?

Heather Ivany: Yeah. Uh, so this is kind of my home base. Um, presently, uh, my, my past is, uh, working as a yoga teacher for over 20 years. And then just with my personal desire to go deeper, uh, this is what organically unfolded for me. So I wasn’t hunting for the Akashic records. Um, in fact, In all my years of teaching yoga, it only sort of crossed my path maybe two or three times.

So it’s not even something that I was very much aware of, even though I, um, operated in the spiritual realm. So it, it sort of found me rather than me finding it. And, um, how I’ve come to understand, Akasha and then Akashic records, which are two separate, um, two separate things. The Akasha is sort of, I picture it like an overarching umbrella.

It directly translates to Sanskrit word. It directly translates to space or spirit. So then when I take the word space, that immediately takes me into quantum physics. Um, the study of, of quantum physics, Is the study of everything and space is everything. So for those that are more science based, it’s a lovely door to come in by thinking of the Akasha as space and then spirit to me is consciousness.

And so it’s literally consciousness is the spiritual term for the word space. That’s the layman’s term. So Uh, the, the field of Akasha holds everything. And by that it’s not just the, the present moment of everything, but also just the, the, the history of time. So all, um, timelines, dimensions, realities, which please don’t ask me to go into those details because I, I’m not very good at explaining, um, those, uh, to great depths.

And then the spiritual timeline that we have with our own soul. So if someone is open to past lives, that’s contained in the Akasha and then all future potentials. So when we lean into someone’s Akashic record, the difference between Akasha and an Akashic record is it’s your own signature DNA blueprint of the soul.

Um, you can think of it like a GPS signal or like an old school radio frequency that when someone dials into your specific frequency, it’s like an etheric book. That’s oftentimes how people will think of it. That contains all of the, the history of your soul’s existence. So not only the past lives that you’ve had, but also if you think of your own, um, your Present life, there’s, um, information in regards to your thoughts and how that holds a vibrational frequency in the, the atmosphere around us, um, all of your behaviors, your actions, the interactions that you’ve had.

So this is a very, very extensive book. And so if we just open up someone’s Akashic records and there’s no sort of filtration system, then it’s just a lot of noise. So when a practitioner is working with someone’s Akashic records, they’re working specifically with frequencies that filter through the field the information that’s relevant to the present moment, the now.

Ronnie Landis: Okay, beautiful explanation. I just have to comment that as you were explaining this, I happened to look at the time 11 a. m. Central Time. Perfect. The moment you were explaining this and the moment I looked at it 1111. So just wanted to put that out there. Nice. Um, you know, this is actually a great, a great thing to bring up.

I think when you mentioned past lives, that this is a little bit more in the vernacular and not just the spiritual community, but many different communities, especially those that are more interested in the quantum physics model of reality that are not so much attached to the Newtonian physics model, but are into, um, you know, quantum, the quantum model of reality.

And, You know, I just want to mention, too, for anyone listening, I’ve gone really, really deep into past lives. Um, I’ve had my own personal experiences a lot with medicine, um, you know, whether ayahuasca or other types of psychedelic medicines. And also through the work that I do as a neuromuscular release therapist, when I’m working through somebody’s neuromuscular system, all that information is encoded and codified in the neural junctions of their, their nerve networks in their, their physical tissues.

And I’ve experienced with people when I’m working on them, particularly in their stomach that has the most nerve endings of the entire body. People have gone into full on channels. People have gone into full on past life reenactments, trauma releases, just the fleshing of the chemical memory that’s stored in the physical body.

So I just wanted to mention that. As, um, yeah, just as an interesting point when you brought up past lives, and I think there’s some sort of interesting intersection between the spiritual metaphysical framework, and then also just the physiology of the body and what the physical body is housing within it.

Heather Ivany: It’s, it’s perfect what you’re bringing forward. Cause, um, my mastery does not lie in the explanation of the science. It’s something that, that is of interest to me and I enjoy reading on it, but to be able to teach and have discourse on it is challenging. So I love that you can kind of fill in that, that puzzle piece as we keep having conversation here.

And one of the things that I like to, uh, You know, bring home a little bit with the Akashic records is oftentimes it gets so, um, stamped into past lives. And I work primarily with the Akashic records in the now in the present moment. So if I’m going into past lives, if it comes up at all in a session for me, when I’m working Akashic records specifically as a past life regression, that’s, that’s what they do all the time.

And just the way that I’ve. been kind of counseled into working with the records is working with present moment. I work primarily with people who are trying to, um, align more fully with their incarnated purpose. And for me, purpose is not, um, static. It’s, it’s very malleable. So as we grow and unfold into our next becoming our purpose, um, adapts and moves with us.

So it’s really fun to come into that in different stages of life. And when we play with the present moment, if I’m going into a past life, it’s to get information, or if you want to consider it as like wisdom teachings from that particular past life that we can carry forward into present moment to support the situation at hand that we might be wanting to expand or unfold, or as you said, tease through some of the traumas or maybe contracts that aren’t serving us anymore.

So, you know, It’s nice to, to know and identify for yourself if you’re, you know, and there’s a value to it. If you’re wanting to just have an exploration of past lives in a form of, you know, think of it like a conscious Netflix experience of just like seeing where you’ve been and what you’ve done and that entertainment value is totally legit.

And how just if for anyone listening, if they’re considering booking a session, just know that when I work, I work with present moment. So I’m, I’m just gaining the wisdom teachings from it and bringing it into the present moment. So I don’t spend a lot of time in past lives unless I’m guided to go there with someone.

Ronnie Landis: Yeah. Yeah. I completely understand that. And I think there’s an interesting point to be made about this. Um, and this could be a spectrum of conversations to, you know, when you start opening up the subconscious vault. Information starts pouring out into the conscious mind. The nervous system literally has a physiological response, and I look at it like when you open up your field of awareness, you become more aware of things that were previously blind spots or were just kind of tucked to the corner, and it kind of feels like You know, they’re not not so much a cautionary warning, but just a disclaimer.

When you go into this kind of material, there probably should be some intention for some practical application or integration in the now. And how is this going to. How is this going to play out in my current experience? Because I don’t think you can just go and open up the subconscious mind and it not affect your present moment.

Heather Ivany: Oh, love it. And then what I also love that you’re bringing forward is just, um, maybe I’ll just identify it as like a responsibility piece. So the same way that when we’re, when we’re on this, this journey of I’ll call it awakening, uh, that We hold our own selves accountable or responsible for being able to notice how we get distracted and then gathering ourselves back to our midline, our path.

And so the same is true when we’re in the Akashic records. And when I teach trainings on this, this is oftentimes a lot of the work that I’m doing when I’m, when I’m playing with different students is yes. Okay. You’re, you’re identifying. This thread that’s coming through someone’s field. Now watch the point where you’re sharing information and then it’s turning into like a wandering story where you’re just now, you know, you’ve lost the point and you’re just in this space of really beautiful languaging and, and, and dialogue, but.

If the individual coming in doesn’t sort of have a full circle experience, then there’s a lot of open tethers that just are just kind of straggling by the time you close the records and you end it. So there’s this, this responsibility piece as a practitioner and then also just even as your own student to just, Consciously being aware of, of when the drift is going so far that now you’re in the wandering space and you need to just slowly coach yourself back into, um, what, what is my desire in this moment?

What is my intention? My Sankalpa. 

Ronnie Landis: Yep. Yeah. It’s a great point as well. And yeah, these open tabs in the browser screen of our consciousness, it’s like on your CPU processor, your phone, the more open tabs you have, the more energy that’s being allocated to keep those tabs open. And the system just doesn’t run as fast.

It doesn’t process as quickly. And I know, I know that’s true for me with all the medicine work that I’ve done, all the evolutionary work that I’ve done, all the deaths and rebirths and almost like an addiction to going through the struggle to the triumph and the, the becoming in, in all of this. And once I kind of got off.

That pattern of needing to continuously overcome to become and started to just sit still and, um, just kind of work with where I was at and what I had available to me. I realized that, you know, there was a little bit of, um, an addiction or an attachment or some sense of significance that I was gaining from having to continuously do the work as if I was not already whole healed and complete as myself.

You know, I just always had to add more experiences on top of it. And that’s kind of, that’s what that brought up for me. 

Heather Ivany: Well, I love your, um, I, I might actually pinch that, uh, symbolism of having so many tabs open on the browser and how the, the, the computer can’t actually run optimally. That’s such a great symbolism that you’re bringing forward that everyone can can relate to there.

Absolutely. And, and yeah, just watching the, like, I love to, I’ve been sharing this a little bit recently, just for many years, I have not been calling anything that I do work. I’ve changed that out of my system, um, simply because for me personally, work is, is arduous. When I think of work, it’s something that we’re trying to get an end game to like, oh, the end of the work day or the end of the work week.

And it’s something that we have to do. So when I sort of like to dance with, with whatever it is that I’m playing with, it’s, it’s where am I unfolding? What’s my next becoming? Um, where can I get curious? I oftentimes like to, to see if I can make it play. Um, and then it seeps into, so, so it allows me to resolve myself to the, the understanding that it is a forever process, but the forever process isn’t like exhausting when I allow it to be like, oh, how am I unfolding next?

What’s the next part of me that wants to expand and grow and, um, feel more into the essence of who I am. That’s like really welcoming and encouraging and invitational. Whereas work, it’s hard, it’s, it’s striving, it’s, um, it has a, a part of us that just when the work is done, then we need another job. So we go and look for more work.

We forget that, like, there’s a large portion of this life that we’re here for pleasure and enjoyment and, and beauty and love and joy in all moments. And so where are those? So when we’re constantly fixated on the work, and I get that, like, it feels like the world is very much in pain right now. And so there’s a lot of trauma workers coming forward.

And thank God they’re here because it’s, it’s not my experience. Um, it’s not my area of expertise at all. So thank God for all of them. But I, I really feel as though there, there’s, um, there’s a missing part that when we finish a something, when it feels like we we’ve gotten over that big hurdle, where are we celebrating?

What are we doing it for? Like allowing ourselves to be our own cheerleader for a little while or ask someone else to be our cheerleader and just be like, Oh my God, Ronnie, you are killing it. Look at all the shit you’re doing. Look at all those people that you’re helping. Did you get up this morning at 6am and do that workout?

Like you said, you would, my God, it’s amazing what you can do in a day. Oh, look at you drinking that drink, making sure your energy is staying up, like having people in our corner and just cheering us on. Um, It’s a big component that, uh, that I think we, we should spend a little bit more time in. 

Ronnie Landis: I completely agree.

And we live in a world that, um, prides itself on work, and there is work to be done. And of course it’s an attitudinal thing. It’s like our interpretation of like to what you said, like nothing you do is categorized or defined as work. And there is like this, there is a certain energy to quote unquote work or doing the work.

And it made me think about the, the trauma informed space. And you’re always going to get what you’re looking for, right? So if you’re looking for trauma, you’re going to always find it. One of the really amazing revelations that has come to me in, in a lot of the, let’s just call it transformational, um, processes that I’ve been, I’ve been in lately.

Is this complete awakening to the fact that I’m actually not wounded or I’m not, I don’t have trauma. I’m not wounded. I’m not incomplete at all. And I don’t mean that as like a higher, a higher awareness. I mean, that as a literal fact, I was, I’m actually not a wounded person, but there was so much of my life through relationship collapses and different things that I almost took on a program.

That something was wrong with me or I was wounded because I didn’t have a father or whatever the thing was in childhood. And I realized that I had actually created some sort of aberration of my own consciousness that I was studying trauma so much that it kind of reflected back to me that, oh, there’s something inside of me that I need to heal that’s not fully healed.

And recently I came to a complete. Lifting of that mask that filter that overlay and I realized oh that actually was not true at all That was a that was actually a lie. That was a program that was influencing My behavior, my thoughts, my emotions, how I showed up and how I thought of myself. And it kept me in a bit of a rut and, um, that, so it’s like, again, like I was looking for it because I wanted to solve the problem, but I came to the realization that actually there was no problem, but because I was looking for a problem, there was always a problem to solve.

Heather Ivany: Awesome. So let, let me just, um, if you’re open to it, I want to, I want to flip hats a little bit here, cause I have a question that I want to ping back at you if you’re open to it. So what, what you’re sharing with me, what I’m hearing between the lines is something that I’m playing with a lot as of late, which is, um, just, just really getting clear on like the masculine and feminine energy internally.

And so how I’m playing with it is the masculine energy holds the space. It’s, it’s the container that allows the churning of the feminine that’s inside that container to happen. And so when the, the container of the masculine, um, goes into its shadow and, and it’s, it’s leaky and porous and, and like the, the, the banks are breaking is when it will default into fixing.

So, and fixing is just, um, compulsion to, to, to make the moment different than what the moment is. 

Ronnie Landis: Okay. 

Heather Ivany: And then the masculine in its, in its essence of its health is a very beautiful problem solver. And so a problem solver is one where we’re able to root down, land into presence and hold the space for what wants to be revealed.

And so what I’m hearing in your share is that so when you’re saying transformation, that to me is the feminine energy that wants to be churned inside the container. And so what you described was, here I am having an experience of noticing my compulsion To the chronic fixing the chaos. I’m working with this with my daughter right now.

I’m like, what if there was no problem? Because every time she solves a problem, there seems to be another one. So she’s 17. And that’s our conversation as of late. I’m like, what happens when there is no problem? It’s such an uncomfortable space for her to be in that she pops into problem. And so your transformational space that allows you to say, Hey, hold on a sec.

That’s not mine. That’s someone else’s. And the point that you brought forward was I got really curious to try and tease out what’s mine, what’s not mine. And where do I want to go from here? So my question is, If, if you can play with it and lean into that experience that you’ve had of late, how are you holding your own container?

And if you’re, if you have someone else, feel free to, to, to share how you lean into the other and allowing yourself the opportunity to have the transformation as it wants to be seen by you, not your agenda that you want to put on it. 

Ronnie Landis: Right. Well, the agenda is the program. For me, that’s, that’s the realization.

And for me, how I navigate that is, is actually, it’s a physiological awareness. which is that when my nervous system is dysregulated, then it’s going to, it’s going to go into that like kind of chaos or problem solving that disorganized energy that we’re speaking about. But when my nervous system is centered, I’m grounded, I’m anchored.

That is actually a state of And to me, the word integrity and integration actually mean the same thing at the level of the nervous system. And so it’s kind of like, it’s to the degree that I’m out of integrity with my values, my, my thoughts, my words, my actions and who I know that I am. is the degree that my nervous system is out of integration, meaning there’s a stress response.

And so I’ve kind of, I’ve kind of just been bringing it back to that level of like holding containment for myself primarily in the, as a, as a, as a, you know, as my, my, my development process. And I have my practices to do that. And it’s a cumulative thing. The more I do that every day, it accumulates. in, in manifest in my, my mode of operation.

And so if I can hold that containment for myself, no matter what the internal experience is, then it allows me to actually do the same for others in my life. Um, yeah, 

Heather Ivany: beautiful. So then the other place that we can stretch into is when you create a nervous system that can tolerate the present moment as it is, whatever, whatever shit storm or beautiful essence is presenting itself.

Then you’re, you’re, um, how do I put it? It’s, it’s almost like you’re thickening it. You’re thickening the nervous system to be able to tolerate more, not more in the sense of like, bring it on, bring on more garbage, but to be able to hold more presence and in your languaging integrity. So the nervous system calibrates to a higher level of integrity, a higher ability to be present longer by simply tracking time in present moment, meeting the situation where it’s at.

It’s like your whole recipe is magical. It’s beautiful. And the fact that you can have that experience for yourself and then Teach others how to do that. And then this is where just reflecting back to the light energy. So we’re so conditioned to be able to tolerate our traumas and go eye to eye with our traumas.

And then what happens is we have a moment of awe. Like you’re just chatting with your buddy. And then all of a sudden, like the sun starts to set, or, you know, you see, I don’t know, someone doing a kind gesture for someone across the street and you’re caught in this moment of awe. And what we do is because our nervous system isn’t trained to calibrate to the higher levels of light, the moment the awe comes in, we oftentimes will deflect And distract or we shut it down because the emotional surge that’s coming in is overwhelming and maybe we feel like we’re on the brink of tears and that’s inappropriate in that situation, or the people around us are having like a mundane conversation.

And so we don’t want to like be outside of the group and separate from it, but all the things that we do, but when we interrupt the awe, then we miss the moment where we get to calibrate to more awe. And so our nervous system is so conditioned to tolerating more, more trauma. But what, how are we tolerating more light so that I can see in more plain sight, the light that’s inside of you.

Ronnie Landis: Mm hmm. Mm hmm. Yeah, I call those those moments of all moments of grace and when the grace comes in It’s like a it’s like a clearing it’s hard to it’s hard to articulate but it is an access point to the divine and You know, what, what came up for me too, as you’re talking about that is we’re, we’re talking about increasing capacity, right?

My capacity to feel my capacity to be present to whatever is without any interpretation or judgment of what it is, but just the felt experience itself. And. I think this brings in like a point about the, whether it’s grieving or just catharsis, because I think one of the biggest challenges that people have in the world is that they’re holding so much, whether they know it or not, and they’re just stuffing it down.

And then that brings in, you know, coping mechanisms that can turn into addictions to numb, sedate, tranquilize, medicate. This this deep down energy that wants to be catharsized this that wants to be released and a lot of times that does feel like chaos that feels like deconstructive process there’s there’s you know and and really feeling the wave of all the emotions that are that are pouring through one thing with me is that I’m a professional griever at this point, like I have no problem with it because the grace that comes through when the ego is being, the ego is being reset is one of the most profound felt experience moments and then whatever the perceived problem was, I realized actually there was no problem.

It was just, there was something that needed to be feel to clear the windshield so I could see more clearly. It’s 

Heather Ivany: brilliant. It’s brilliant. Capacity. I love that word. It’s such a good word to bring in and calibrating to it. Yes, I’m with you. 

Ronnie Landis: So I really appreciate that. And I’d love to talk to you about the becoming process and just, and just, just get your, your thoughts and your, your, you know, your perspectives on it.

Like, Everyone in the world, especially that’s listening to an interview like this is in some sort of becoming process. They are in some sort of transformational process. The world at large is in an alchemical process right now, and it’s not totally clear. What is on the other end of this moment in time, but we know it’s something different than was And i’d love to just uh, yeah pose that to you like the the transformation and becoming process What are some of the thoughts that come to you?

Heather Ivany: Um, there’s There’s a few ways we can go, but I’ll follow the, the, the trace of what’s coming through. So

one of the things that we get to experience in our humanity experience is desire. It’s, it’s a, it’s a part of the human experience that doesn’t really exist in other dimensions. So this, this ability to desire and to want, and we are oftentimes taught that, um, it’s narcissistic. Um, religion will teach us to, um, play small so that someone else can have the light.

And so this sort of societal imprint and then you couple that with, um, moments in your life where you wanted something but you didn’t get it, whether it’s the relationship or the job promotion or You know, the, the cool bike under the Christmas tree, whatever it is, and those moments kind of build up where we can get to a point as adults where we’ve just lost our ability to imagine and to desire.

And the reason why I’m leading with this is desire in its purest form, meaning it might come initially from ego. Right. You might desire more money, for example, um, or you might desire inner freedom, but, but those two can actually go together. So the desire to have more money can feel ego based. But when you lean into the undercurrent of the desire for money, what, what does money give you?

And so for many people, it’ll come into eventually a non egoic space, right? Yeah. Yeah. And so let’s just say that it leads to inner freedom, the ability to have time freedom and to be able to travel and all the things that we would like to experience on a soul level. So this desire is, is pinged at us from our higher self and how I understand our higher self, it’s simply the version of us that’s not incarnated.

And it guides us from a point of view that we don’t have in this 3D realm. And so the becoming part of ourselves, this is our higher self, here she is leading us into the unfolding of our soul in how it wants to grow and expand even more. And there’s another component to ourselves, which is the, the being, and this is the part of ourselves that wants to stay the same.

We call this ego, subconscious mind, resistance. It loves to stay in the familiar, because that’s what’s known. And the higher self is always, it only exists in the unknown, right? Because it comes in from the product real estate that exists in present moment. The place where the life force energy is. And so both of these parts of ourselves are very important.

If we don’t have the being part of ourselves, then chances are we wouldn’t get to the age we are because this body would be, you know, hit by a car or, you know, we wouldn’t, we die from lack of food or like the ego in its health, it keeps us alive. It keeps us thriving. And the becoming part of ourselves is the, the.

incarnated purpose of, of where the consciousness within us wants to grow and expand by having a human experience. So these two parts of ourselves, as much as we try, they don’t go together. They, they, they never will go together. And so when we want to be leaning into our becoming, we are consciously choosing to put that part of ourselves in the shotgun beside us while we’re driving and the being part of ourselves can sit in the backseat and play with its Legos.

And for most of us, we’ve spent like a good 30 years listening to the being part of ourselves. It’s always riding shotgun. It’s always yabbering in our ear while we’re driving the car. And so the, the becoming consciously needs to be chosen. And for some of us, when we start initiating this, it’s like 10 to 20 times a day, we have to choose, Oh, you know what?

I’m not listening to you in the moment. Get in the back seat, go play with your Legos. Hey, my kingly self, my queenly self, my version of me that knows me beyond the essence of this human self. How do you want to talk to me? What do you want to share with me? What are some action pieces that I can start to play with so that I can come into deeper relationship with you?

And this, this is how it initiates is simply by choosing it. In the moment. So an example of this is is like whenever someone’s coming into, um, a training with me, just the way that I operate. A lot of people like to chat with me before they make the decision to choose to work with me. I’m not even though I have the click and buy on my website.

It’s just kind of there for show. And most people just. We need to have a conversation first. And so there’s, there’s a process happening there. They want to get to know me and see if I’m a good fit. And I’m doing the same thing because I do have some, some boundaries that I like to play with when I work with people.

So when we’re in conversation, the first thing that I ask them is what is it that you’re desiring for yourself? And we go really deep into that. And, and oftentimes there’s tears here because people have just, A, never had that asked to them. And B, they’ve denied themselves the ability to lean into that and let it, um, speak to them for so long that it’s, it’s almost like a, um, like a long lost friend in a sense.

Ronnie Landis: That’s a beautiful way of putting it. 

Heather Ivany: And then from there we lean into, okay, so if this is what you want, Why isn’t it here? Where’s the block? Where’s the resistance? Where’s the being part of yourself blocking you all the time so that you can’t access that desire? Right. And then from that place, so we keep going in the conversation, but then by the end of it, it’s like, so we’ve been talking for like 30 minutes or 40 minutes from the part of you that wants growth and expansion.

Now, this is the choice point. Do you want to commit financially and feel that uncomfortable rub of valuing yourself and spending money on yourself that most people have a hard time with? Can you have that uncomfortable conversation with your partner where you’re like, Hey, dude, or sweetie, I want to do this thing.

I have no idea where it’s going to take me, cost more money than I’m comfortable with, maybe, but I just need your support, not your permission. And so these little choice points where the part of us that wants to grow and expand is constantly bringing us back into the conversation, but the being part of ourselves will always find an excuse.

And so what I oftentimes say to people is like, when we’re hanging out, I will never win an argument with your being. It has been with you for so long. It knows you so well. It will never be able to, um, not win an argument with me. So when we come together, I only want to be speaking to the part of you that wants to grow and expand.

That other part gets to be here, but it’s, like I said, in the corner. And it can be there and present, but it, but it’s not sitting at the head of your table. It’s at the table, but not at the head of your table. And the becoming part of yourself is where I’m relating to, because she or he has a lot to say, and they are so tired of being told to shut up.

And so that’s where we get to dance with. And so anytime someone actually makes it into training, like my first day of training, when I’m doing the Akashic records, I take a moment and I just celebrate that. I’m like, do you have any idea how miraculous it is that all of you are here? That, that mundane hum of society that you have to get the surge to override and get out of that frequency and choose to do something different.

That alone is miraculous, regardless of what we do in the next few months together. That alone is transformational. 

Ronnie Landis: Mm hmm. Mm hmm. Yeah, it made me think, actually, you brought up money. And there’s an interesting thing that had occurred for me yesterday. I won’t go into the experience, but the, the insight that I got out of it, I basically put forth 8, 000 into, into a very deep transformational process that wouldn’t make sense to a lot of people.

And. It wasn’t just about what I’m getting or that it was actually who I needed to become to be able to accrue that money and actually have the courage to make that move that my soul knew that I needed to make. And that was a big insight for me. I mean, I’ve had this insight as a, as a coach and a mentor and someone who’s in a very similar position as you in terms of, you know, taking on clients and, you know, You know, I tell people it’s not just, it’s not just what you’re going to get in the container.

It’s actually who you become or what you, what you initiate within yourself to send the money because money has so many things attached to it in our world. And you do kind of have to become a different version or you have to initiate a process in order to, to put that money forth. It’s a, it’s a form of currency.

It’s a form of value, right? And that, I’m curious what you think about that, but that was a really big thing that really occurred for me in my process is that the money is just numbers on a screen. It’s, it’s what that means to me and the value I place upon it, and it’s almost like going into an ayahuasca ceremony, they say, Once you make the decision and you make the commitment, the medicine starts working on you ahead of time.

And that’s kind of how I look at that. 

Heather Ivany: Absolutely. Yeah, no, I, I thoroughly love the transformation that takes place before we even get to the training start date. And, um, that’s, I mean, insider like technique, that’s part of the reason why I charge what I do. Cause if the risk is low. The commitment is low.

If the risk is high, the commitment is higher and the possibility of outcome is stronger. So it’s not just like me doing this thing where it’s like, Oh, this is what I’m worth. And this is what I’m charging. It’s I’m, I’m charging what I’m charging. Because for a lot of people, there’s a risk factor in there, so I know that by the time we’re getting to the start date of the training, nobody’s wasting my time, right?

And there’s this beautiful, like transformation. And this is this is why I love these conversations because oftentimes I’m not just holding the space for the conversation. I’m holding the space when we talk about money, right? And for myself, I’m still on a healing journey with my relationship to money and I can’t express how beautiful it is for even my personal healing to be in a place to have a challenging conversation about money with someone else.

And then how many times I’ve had people emotionally thanking me while they’re putting a deposit down because of how healing it was for them to have a mature conversation about money and not just be left alone to like, okay, well, that was a great conversation. Go figure out the rest and let me know if you’re in 

Ronnie Landis: the last place.

I want to leave someone off in a conversation is on money. 

Heather Ivany: Yeah. Oh, yeah. I mean, that that’s kind of like the three quarter point in the talk. And then if we’re going on from there, then there’s there’s sort of a way to consciously close that for sure. Um, absolutely. And then there’s, oh, there’s such another beautiful piece.

Oh, the, um, the field that were Creating with. It’s a non egoic field. This is, this is something that I’ve been, like my, I have a teacher that I work with that’s kind of bringing this forward. So I’m dancing with it, but, but the field, the source, universe, Kasha, whatever word you want to put in there, God, consciousness.

It’s a non egoic space. So this is where I, I’ve always had this resistance to the law of attraction, the law of attraction, like it when we were talking about cliches before we started and, and a lot of people try this and it doesn’t work. And the part that finally is starting to click with me is you’re taking an egoic.

Component of yourself and you’re asking it to co create with a non egoic space. The frequencies of the two of you meeting in that moment don’t harmonize. They don’t match. It’s like the being and the becoming. They’re oil and water. So until you can find the undercurrent beneath the egoic desire, and that’s the space that you’re co participating from, that’s where the abundance starts to play in.

Ronnie Landis: Right. And I guess that that’s probably a great way to, to segue into the last piece of the conversation around being and becoming. And you said that they don’t really, they don’t go hand in hand, they’re two separate things. And it seems like, It’s tricky, you know, to put it lightly, it’s, it’s a tricky process, you know, and, but I also see like the simplicity of it in terms of, like, continuing to focus on what is seeking to.

Become through me, you know, there’s even the being thing that can get a little interesting too, because I’m, I, if I’m, I’m in the state of being to try to get to becoming from being the ego is still invested in who I’m becoming. And it’s kind of like the attachment to money. I think about one of the challenges is that I feel comfortable with this money that I can rely on.

If I let it go, I don’t know what’s going to happen on the other end. Does that make sense? 

Heather Ivany: Oh, it totally makes sense. So the place that I kind of dance with this is, um, my new, my, my most recent curiosity edge is where am I holding hierarchy in this moment? So when we talk about our being and our becoming, both are valid.

That’s, that’s really important to understand is that both parts of yourself are equally Valuable. And so the moment that we start to value stillness over movement, I mean, you’re a body worker, how important is it to cathartically move your body to release stagnation, calcification, anything that doesn’t want to be there.

And yet, you know, when we move into, um, meditation, there becomes this hierarchy on like the stillness is the better place to be. Right. So I’m playing with like the, um, the awakening that comes. in the space between. So the being and the becoming are both valid. So the, the, the part of you that recognizes the being and how it wants to take over.

Like I listened to that all the time. I just came off of like a three month mentorship. That was really intense. And at the end of it, there was members of the group that wanted to keep the conversation going because we had momentum. And so would I continue to unfold into my becoming? Totally. And my being was like, nah, we’re out.

We need to, we need to set, we need to recharge, we need to integrate, we need to settle. We’re, we’re, we’re not, we’re not expanding. You know, or, or like I’m, and then for your nuances, of course, it’s going to lead to. a different way of growing. Like I’m going to grow the roots deeper with the, with the wisdom teachings from that three months through the integration.

So I’m, I’m growing down rather than up and out. Right. So, I mean, everything, yes, is nuanced and I don’t think you can have anything without the other. I mean, that’s how polarity works. So you can’t be in your becoming without, without the, the Yang dot in there of the, being and you can’t be in your being without eventually if the becoming coming in if you sit in your being too long you lose your life force energy 

Ronnie Landis: exactly yeah 

Heather Ivany: to be in your to be in your being you’re you’re out of life force energy you’re sitting in the past and ruminating or you’re anticipating and in the, but there’s no life force energy there.

It’s, it’s, it’s mundane eventually like over time, but initially it’s a great place to be. 

Ronnie Landis: Yeah. And it’s, it’s also our interpretation of time and space, right. And like the past, the future and the present are all happening simultaneously. And one affects the other in our lived experience. And our future self is calling to our present self to become.

And you know, what, what came to me too, when I was thinking about like the integration or the unification of being and becoming. When I’m working on somebody and it’s a really deep session and a lot is moving, I’m in being, but I’m also becoming at the same time. It’s not, it’s not one or the other. Like I’m actually becoming something through my being in this particular container that I’m holding, I’m holding space in, but I’m also doing.

And that other person is in a space of becoming, but they’re also in being at the same time. It’s like, it’s like both exist at the same time. So I think there, I think there’s an interesting, it’s not one or the other, right? It’s not just, I’m sitting still and I’m just sleeping and integrating that I’m just, I’m, I’m in that, that process where I’m just, I’m out and about and I’m doing like, I think, I think there is like a, They both can exist at the same time.

Heather Ivany: Well, okay. Yeah. So what you’re doing is you’re taking it out of the construct of, um, the cognitive mind that understands through opposites, and now you’re moving it into, um, a higher frequency, not higher isn’t better, just a lighter frequency. So you’re moving it from the, the, Dualistic to the non dualistic.

And so, yes, when you play in this arena long enough, you can’t, you can’t separate anything. But in order to be able to have a conversation, we have to be able to separate it or else we have nothing to talk about. 

Ronnie Landis: Absolutely. Absolutely. Yeah, 

Heather Ivany: and then and then there’s this really cool piece that you’re bringing in where I’m just about time where if we go back to the masculine energy and how it holds steady present moment, present moment has an ingredient of future ripple, because it has a futurism in it because present moment ripples.

So, so even though you’re holding present with your integrity and, and the space that you’re holding for the transformation, absolutely you can’t be in presence without there being like this lovely golden ripple that’s coming out of presence and moving into Either future ripple or past integration simultaneously.

This is, this is, this is the part of the time space continuum that just collapses here in this moment, but it’s like the chakras, you delineate them to understand them, but then you, you also come back to, and you can’t work one without affecting the others. 

Ronnie Landis: That was, that was really well. I can see like the Goldilocks position of being in the present moment, past integration, future ripple.

And I think that’s actually a really key thing is that most of the time we’re not integrating the past. So we’re anxious or we’re depressed because there’s, there’s a, there’s open tabs. Yeah. So I think that piece is actually super important for people to practically get. And then because otherwise your future ripple is bleeding out from the past, right?

Heather Ivany: Yeah. And, and I don’t know for sure, but this is just a rising in the moment. So, so don’t take this as gospel, but potentially the moment you’re in the present moment and thinking about the future effect, you’ve lost the present moment. Like you, there’s a part that just has to let that be God’s work. 

Ronnie Landis: Yes.

And 

Heather Ivany: if that’s not a good word, put something else in there. But like how the ripple works is not ours to play with. We just hold the present moment. 

Ronnie Landis: Yeah. It’s, it’s literally rippling from the present moment, right? Yeah. If your, if your past is leaking into your present moment, there’s going to be. ripples of past fragments.

Heather Ivany: Yes. And, and you’re just not in, now you’re in past because the moment you acknowledge that the past is coming into the, this is getting confusing, but the moment you acknowledge that the past is coming into the present, you’re in the past in that moment. And 

Ronnie Landis: you’re just, and then it just kind of recycles itself.

Heather Ivany: Yeah, absolutely. 

Ronnie Landis: Yeah. Well, I imagine that 20 years as a, you know, deep into the yogic Sciences that plays a big part into all that. 

Heather Ivany: Yeah, it’s, it’s, it’s definitely a fun game for sure. And then just, um, you know, anyone who’s in this realm and also managing like the life stuff as we do, whether it’s just, um, taking care of your own self, but also many of us are parents or, um, we have partners that we’re also, you know, doing the day to day stuff with.

This is where present moment just becomes non negotiable for me. Otherwise I, I, I think I would be someone that would possibly burn out, but if I’m just moving present moment to present moment, as much as I can throughout my day. Um, and even that, like the best intentions are probably 10%, right? If we’re super honest, but it allows for me to just put that just such a deep faith in, um, everything else is taking care of itself.

And this is, this is where I’m placing my attention in this moment. There’s nothing else that I’m doing other than having a conversation with you right here right now. And the moment that my mind wants to ping into, Oh, I wonder what I’m going to have for lunch or, Oh, I have to get back to so and so. I just redirect it.

Don’t, don’t miss it. Cause when you miss it, you can’t get it back. It’s gone. 

Ronnie Landis: So true. It’s so true. Yeah, there’s so much more that we could unfold on this. Um, one piece in particular for practical purposes, I think it’s really important to have transition points between segments in our life so that we can be fully present to whatever it is that we’re engaged with.

And then once we’re done, we have like at least a five to 10 minute transition point so we can reorganize and then transitioned into the next bracket of time that we can be fully present to. And I think that’s one of the challenges is we, everything gets a meshed, everything is just one thing after another, after another, and there’s not really like a contextual transition.

Therefore it’s very hard to be present. 

Heather Ivany: Yeah, this is one of the things I like most about just being self employed and being an entrepreneur. I put time between every appointment that I have so that I can reflect on what took place, get a moment to serve myself, and then prep for what’s coming next. And when we’re in these employee based situations where it’s just a demand of productivity, um, from start to end of the day.

It just then creates a pattern of just making that continuous outside of the office day, right? You know, there’s little moments where I love to grab this where, um, I’ll go and sit in my car and I just refuse to start the engine until I just take a moment to take a few breaths. I might set up some music before I drive, but just those little micro pauses.

I love how you, how you say that. I, I wake up before my kids so that I have, have that moment to, to really be conscious of how I want to set the tone for my day. And I mean, you know, I’m sure you talk about this a lot through, through the work that you do, but those are fundamental. And, uh, you know, even when I taught yoga, a lot of the conversation I would have is, is noticing the space between the poses.

Don’t be so addicted to getting into the next pose. Notice the refractory period in between. Notice the inner sigh of the body as it releases from a pose before it moves into another pose. It’s, I swear the fall season is so important and we just bypass it so much. 

Ronnie Landis: Yeah, fully agreed. Was there any other, any other wisdom insights that you’d love to share as an integration for people?

Heather Ivany: Um,

no, I mean, I think we touched on a lot. I mean, the other, the other place that I’m just sitting in right now is. I love to just hibernate in January. I, and if anyone out there is just feeling the resistance to the New Year’s resolution phenomena, um, in the Western Hemisphere, it’s, it’s, it’s seasonally a little bit out of sync to be, um, you know, Setting up so much driving and planning at a time in nature when we’re being asked to be quiet and to hibernate.

So, if you haven’t quite started your 2024, I’m with you. I’ll meet you there and I trust that as the snow melts a bit and the spring starts, that’s when the emergent of what’s to become will start to present itself more fully. 

Ronnie Landis: I love that. I think that’s actually perfect bow and tie on this conversation.

Cause I’m right there with you too. And there’s a lot of things that have been done and a lot of things to do, but I’m working with a higher. a higher order of things and, uh, letting things flow and self organize more than trying to strive and make things happen. And there will be a lot of doing to come.

So it’s like setting, setting that inner infrastructure and that inner cultivation so that when all the things that do come, come, then I’m actually, I have the capacity and sustainability to, uh, take action on it. 

Heather Ivany: Awesome. Yeah. I love that we’re there together. 

Ronnie Landis: So this has been an amazing conversation and where can people find more about your work?

Heather Ivany: Yeah. So the easiest place to, to see all the things is just my website. So it’s my name, Heather, Ivany. com I V a N Y. For the last name. And then when you go there, there’s a media tab that has some free resources. There’s a free course that you can take if you just want to get to know me a little bit more in that way.

Um, I have an Akashic training coming up. The next one is in, in March, starting in March. So if that’s of interest to anyone, feel free to reach out. And then I just have a monthly, um, mentorship portal that I invite people into. And I’m not someone that just. Slams us with a bunch of stuff. We meet twice a month and, uh, I upload a couple of.

Uh, yoga classes in that portal based on the theme of the month. But one of the gatherings is just to have a beautiful discourse on the topic of the month. And then the second gathering is we meditate on that topic. And then I bring in just a member of the portal to spotlight and they can Q& A with me for about 30 minutes.

And what I find is that when we get to watch, um, others have a one on one exchange, just how people are listening to each other. You and I talk right now, uh, it answers a lot of internal questions that we possibly have or didn’t even know we have. So there’s, there’s a real beauty in just witnessing that conversation.

Ronnie Landis: Excellent. Well, Heather, I’m really grateful for this conversation and all the incredible work you do. Thank you so much for coming on the show. 

Heather Ivany: Well, thanks for trusting your instincts and opening that email. And, uh, I’ll give a shout out to my, um, agent for being on your heels a bit to make it happen. Uh, I I’m really glad that we got to spend some time and share some space together today.

Ronnie Landis: As am I thank you.