Ronnie Landis: Greetings, everyone. Welcome to another edition of the life mastery podcast. I’m your host, Ronnie Landis, and I’m excited to share this episode with you. This is with a dear brother of mine. His name is Johann Urb and Johann is a transformational coach. He’s a mystic. He supports people in a variety of different ways.

He’s also the creator of the pyramid breath method, which is a very unique multidisciplinary method to breath work, to nervous system regulation. To creating equanimity between the mind in the body and allowing the spirit to come alive in the physical body when the body feels safe, it feels balanced, it feels secure, and it feels integrated, and that’s a great way to describe a lot of what we talk about in this episode.

Both me and Johann, we, um, we actually connected a little under a year ago through my partner, Elora, who was working with both him and his wife, Rachel and Rachel is also an amazing powerhouse of a transformational coach. And her episode that I did with her will be out in a couple episodes from now. So I’m excited to share that.

But me and Johann connected a while back. And once we dropped in and connected, it was just instant synergy. We knew that we were like kindred brothers. We had so much to drop in around and this podcast, I think it just, that shines through very well. We go into a lot of really, really, um, Important things for both men and for women, especially men and women that are on what I would call the sacred union, sacred relating path.

There’s a lot of great insights and nuggets of wisdom that we drop in around there. And especially for men in their own awakening process, as men discover what it really means to be an awakened, integrated, healthy, human being, a healthy man who’s integrated with both his feminine energy and his masculine energy, but is rooted at the core of his masculinity, um, is, but is also in touch with his emotions and his psychic capabilities and his feminine energy.

So he’s balanced and equanimitous, healthy, whole, and complete all the things, right? So this is a great episode for both men and women to listen to and you’ll gain so much out of it. Now, before we go into the episode for all the men listening, maybe for the women, if you have some men in your life that you feel this would be a great invitation for them, for all the men listening, I am leading a 12 week curated container specifically for men.

It’s a group experience and it’s called the spiritual dojo for awakened masculinity, the spiritual dojo for awakened masculinity. This is A body of work that has been brewing in me for quite some time, almost the last couple of years, but especially the last six months, I’ve been really doing a lot of deep diving within myself as a man, but also within the entire field of men’s work and putting together a really unique.

curriculum that I’m going to be guiding men through and this starts on April 14th. It’s a 12 week container and it’s only open to 22 select men and everybody has to apply. It’s a very brief application process. But you’re basically going to go over the website, www. spiritualdojo4men. com. All the details are laid out there.

And this is a very unique approach to awakened masculinity work, if you want to call it that. I’m going to call it that I wouldn’t call this like quote unquote men’s work. I would call this sacred awakened masculinity worker, sacred masculinity work, if you will. And it’s a reflection of all the work that I’ve done within myself.

And the band of brothers that I surround myself with, and this is what I’m bringing to the forefront and integrating all the years of my personal development, holistic health and human optimization, trauma work, addiction work, nervous system regulation work in spiritual and metaphysical work. And I’m integrating it all together in a framework specifically for awakened men on the path of God.

Of their own destiny, of their own healing, their own growth, their own evolution. Again, the website is www.spiritualdojoformen.com. This is a physical, mental, emotional, and spiritual framework for masculine integration, masculine healing, masculine transformation. It’s gonna be an incredible experience. I hope you’ll consider being part of it.

And then I also have. teachers that are going to be joining me to co facilitate different segments of the program. And Johann Urb happens to be one of those facilitators. So if you listen to this episode and you really resonate with our conversation and you resonate with Johann, then you definitely will be interested in what this program has to offer you.

So go to the website. It’s in the show notes. Check it out. If you resonate with it, if you’re interested, fill out the application form, you and I will hop on a brief connection call and we’ll see if this is the perfect opportunity for you and vice versa. And without further ado, let’s dive in with my brother, Johann Urb.

Greetings everyone. Welcome to another edition of the Life Mastery Podcast. I’m your host, Ronnie Landis. And today I’m joined by a dear brother of mine. His name’s Johann Urb and Johann is a transformational coach, a breathwork facilitator and all around top shelf human being. And, uh, really an evolutionary catalyst here on the planet, doing incredible work as an individual.

Also with his partner, Rachel Pringle, which I’m excited to do a podcast with her very soon. I’ve been looking forward to that. And, uh, me and Johann, I’m not going to give a whole backstory here, but we recently connected or close to little, little shy of this time last year, seven months ago or so. And, um, just ever since you and I really started connecting and dropping in, it was just like instant click and instant kindred soul brothers.

And Johann has really supported me going through a lot of my initiations this summer. I went through. a deep, deep crucible of the spirit of the soul in relationship, uh, relationship with a prior partner, relationship with myself, relationship with my connection to God. Um, just went through an absolute crucible and Johann was one of the, the few people, especially men that I enlisted into my My field of support and just always there, always holding space, holding me in my highest and just being such an incredible support pillars.

So I want to honor and acknowledge you for that and helping me help me make it through the the needle of the storm. At least that’s what it felt like. And, um, and yeah, man, I’m just really, really stoked to have you here. 

Johann Urb: Thank you, Ronnie. I’m so happy to be here. And yes, my man, it’s been so beautiful to connect and to, to be here for each other and to support each other, grow and expand even through the most difficult of contractions and just remember that they’re all here for us and they’re all initiations and.

And how to layer gratitude and how to layer awareness and breath and, and, and into all of that so that, that we can grow through it with, um, the most amount of grace in these possible in those moments. And, uh, thanks for, for letting me in brother. And it’s been an honor. And a joy to witness you go through your initiations and the way you hold yourself, I deeply honor that brother, you’ve been showing up magnificently and it’s just a joy to be here with you.

Ronnie Landis: Thank you. Thank you for that. I’m going to plant a seed on that theme, not my story, but the story. I feel like so many of us, whether it’s men or women, it doesn’t matter. We all have our own unique flavor on what we go through. I know 2022 for me and so many people was, I call it a crucible. Some other people call it them getting their, you know, what kicked repeatedly over and over.

Um, I feel like it was, it was a deep humbling on all levels. And what it feels like for me coming out of it or coming through it into this year is a preparation for true service, true leadership to be ironed out and humbled and to see where the ego slips in or the, you know, um, you know, just all those pieces and parts of ourself that maybe we repress, we oppress, suppress, whatever you want, we put to the side or, you know, We don’t realize are still playing out self sabotage patterns and they rear their ugly head in certain situations and they need to be ironed out.

And so, um, I’m going to plant a seed on that because I want to, I want to dive into that concept with you or just, you know, wherever that conversation takes us, I think it’d be relevant for everyone listening. But with that said, I’d love to just get a quick introduction of you for my audience. You know, what, what is, what is your, what is your background coming into the transformational world?

And then you’re, you’re the, you’re the creator of the pyramid breath methodology. We’re obviously going to talk about that as well. So if we could just give a little hero’s origin story, that’d be great. 

Johann Urb: Yes, so I was born in Soviet Union in 1977 and for those of you guys who are not old enough to know what that was, it was Similar, if you imagine North Korea today, you know, not a lot of freedom, a very repressed culture, a lot of fear, and, uh, you know, generational fear, um, that was implanted, and I think I picked a lot of that up just epigenetically, and, uh, You know, that was my reality was like, you can’t express yourself.

You can’t, um, you can be sent away or your parents could be sent away, you know, to Siberia or in prison. And my dad actually spent many years in prison and mental asylums because he was not pro KGB. And so. Uh, at the young age of 10, my mom and I left to Finland and got to experience, you know, freedom at the Western world for the first time, which was a big culture shock from the culture shock for me.

Um, And with that also was the factor of then to the Finns, you know, they lost a big portion of their land to the Russians during the Second World War. They had a separate war with Russia actually around that time and it was called the Winter War. And, um, so to them, I was the enemy. To them I was the, the, the Russian or the Soviet, uh, even though the Soviets had taken our land and our, you know, uh, country over.

And so, because I’m Estonian. And so, it sort of really like further created this, This narrative in me for survival at the time, which was like, I got to protect myself. I got to separate myself. Uh, I can’t trust anybody. Um, I got to shut myself down. I got to project an image of strength and invincibility, even though I felt completely unsupported and completely, um, afraid, um, and shut down at the time.

And so. I, by the time I was, I was like 13, 14 and my teens and all the hormones and, you know, all of that, I felt really severely depressed and I was, Definitely had moments of considering suicide very seriously, like had the knife out, had the whole plan, how to do it, how to go about it, uh, and, uh, luckily I didn’t follow through on that, uh, however, that got me into meditation at the age of 14, I started to just sit by myself at night in my room, uh, and close my eyes and sort of go into my inner world and it was really trippy and weird experience where I would just feel like I would just kind of Dive into this inner world and become like smaller and smaller and smaller.

Yet the space around me expanded and expanded and expanded. And even though it was scary, uh, it gave me relief. It gave me a way to experience something other than my outer reality, which was, was pretty rough at the time. It was also running with a really rough crowd. Um, and. So through that, I began to get more curious about my inner world, and then at 15, I had an out of body experience, so my spirit left my body, my awareness left my body, like, flew around, got back into my body, and totally unintentionally, right, it just happened.

Which then, I was like, whoa, like, what’s that? You know, what, what just happened? And because of that, I got, got into Eastern philosophy instead of reading, um, Dr. Ching by Lao Tzu, which I remember reading that book and just laughing and crying at the same time. Cause my soul, my spirit, like recognize this truth, this, this eternal truth, um, of.

Of the spirit world, and then I read Bhagavad Gita, I read Dhammapada, and, and I started just, you know, this is pre internet, right, so this is all, like, library stuff, and, and sort of finding my way through by myself, mostly, in this realm, however, over the years, As I then traveled to the States when I was 16 and had my first, like, real, real awakening, uh, with plant medicine, I did mushrooms by myself on a mountaintop, uh, double hero dose, uh, and, you know, fully, you know, those of you guys who have experienced that medicine, especially in a, in a large quantity like that, you, you remember that you are spirit.

You know, and there you remember, you know, so much more. And for me, it was a full on Alex great painting, like the sky was full of eyes and I could see through my body. I can see through the planet. I could tap into the cosmic library and my depressions. Went away like it disappeared for a while and then went back to Finland and kept praying and praying to come back to the States because this was where I really felt that I had this, um, spiritual ground to grow and I did when I was 17 ended up staying.

At the age of 20 and then 17, I did a peyote ceremony with the natives and, and the Gila River Reservation. Another big initiation for me into the depths of, of this spirit world. And then when I was 20, I got initiated into Korea yoga. Mm-Hmm. , when, you know, three levels deep, as deep as you can go, uh, in that lineage.

Um, and at the, at one point, had a actually five to six hour practice a day where I would do. Two hours of Kriya Yoga a day, three hours of Shtanga today, plus then some mantra work. And within it all, I was still, because of my prior conditioning, epigenetically, as well as, as a, you know, as a teen in Finland, of shutting myself down, it existed a lot in my head.

And so my journey has really been how to get from the head to the heart, how to get into my feelings, right? How to not utilize this philosophy that I learned to sort of bypass my feelings And bypass the body which I for a long time was really doing my best to do because I was like wow this Being this light feels almost like I’m not supposed to be here.

Like it’s an accident. It’s a mistake. You know, humanity, like we’re such a mess. Like, what am I doing here? You know, as a spirit, like, why did I choose this place? Like maybe it was supposed to be born somewhere else. And then the journey really, that has gotten me to where I am today. Has been a journey of, of embodiment, right?

How to embody those beliefs and narratives and, and energies and how to open myself up so that I can live from my heart. And, and as we know, scientifically also, I know the heart responds and reacts first to everything before the brain. And, uh, and so the pyramid breath method, which is the practice that I know, you know, practice every day.

And that was a direct download from what I call GGD God, God is divine. Uh, renamed God because God just sounds like a dude, you know, and, and this way it’s like really the, the aspect of, of the mother and the father and, and just the spirit, all of it together. And so 

the, the 

journey has been of. Going from being really shut down, really closed up to embodying love, connection, safety, playfulness, aliveness.

And, uh, the Pyramid Breath Method is, is a big part of that. So that’s sort of the, the overview of, of my journey and how I got to where I am today and how I’m able to be in service to my fellow brothers and sisters in the world because of the experiences that I’ve had of being really shut down Really shaming, blaming myself, really afraid of my feelings to now being like, guys, it’s so much better when we’re embodied and feeling all the feelings and really understanding that you cannot have expansion without contraction and inviting all of the aliveness into the space as an expansion point.

Ronnie Landis: There’s so many things that you touched on that I resonate and relate to and they could, they could easily be their own conversation entry points. Um, I love the, the reframing of the Holy Trinity, right? And, and, and really the more appropriate side of the masculine, the feminine, the mother, the father and the child, or the Holy Spirit.

However you want to contextualize that, that that’s a whole deep dive in of itself. I’ve, I’ve gone deep into that and I, I really think that’s appropriate because. We’re in a time and an age where, as human beings, we are being called, invited, and asked of, and even forced into, the integration between our masculine, our feminine, our complementary, opposite, counterparts.

There’s a lot of talk about, you know, attracting your counterpart, right? And we go through the cycles of relating and the mirroring until we actually realize that all of that’s fully inside of us because it’s an inside out job, right? And so I really, and maybe we can even touch on that because you’re in, you, you have a particular relational alchemy template as well.

You and your partner, Rachel, um, you know, you do incredible work together and I’ve seen you two together and it’s, it’s quite a beautiful thing to witness. And so maybe we could just touch on that for my own, my own interest in anyone listening, this thing around relational alchemy. And the, the process of, of becoming your own counterpart and I’m, I’m, I’m speaking slowly only because I know there’s a part of me that is a little skeptical of a lot of the new age ish language around counterparts and, and attracting your soulmates and whatever all that is.

I’m speaking to I’m speaking to the actual inner alchemy process that one goes through within themselves to find union within. So, yeah, 

Johann Urb: yeah, beautiful. Yes. That’s been one of the biggest. Initiations for me, for sure, because for so many years, and especially with this Eastern European mentality of masculinity, what is it?

What is masculinity? Right? And I would say that for a lot of us, it’s been like. You’re tough, you don’t cry, you know, man up like, you know, you’re a lone wolf, like, you gotta fight for yourself, and like, you’re, you’re in this alone, sort of, um, rigid, um, expression, and, and for me, one of the biggest you.

Awakenings has been when I realized, oh wow, there’s an aspect of the divine that is feminine. And, and when I began to relate to the divine as, as feminine, she, um, the aspect of the divine that is feminine began to talk to me, to speak to me and to express through me. And I want to just say to the, you know, the brothers out there, especially who are listening, it’s made me more of a masculine man than I ever was before I incorporated my own.

Inner feminine part of me. It’s made me more trustable. It’s made me more grounded. It’s made me more loving. It’s made me more aware, um, more successful, um, more radiant, more presence. You know, the list goes on and on and on. Like the, it’s the opposite of what we think when we go, Oh, this guy has like feminine energy.

No, it’s been like freedom and expansion versus rigidity, um, of the mind and the body. And you know, sometimes when, especially when you hug a guy or shake hands with a guy who’s like very rigid, like they feel like a brick wall, you know, or like you’re, you’re hugging a concrete block and you’re just like, Oh brother, you got a lot of work to do, you know, versus when another man can really like melt into you and you feel their heart, you feel their body, their presence.

And it’s just like, it penetrates you. They penetrate you with their presence and love because it’s available and they’re not afraid of it. And so one of the exercises that I invite people to do right away if they’re not already doing this is begin to speak to the divine. However, you relate to the divine as the divine mother, divine lover, uh, Uh, however, you know, you want to, uh, relate to the divine in that way and how powerful that is when we open that part of ourself up and allow her wisdom, the divine mother, the creatrix, that all of the flowers, the trees, the plants, the animals, the beings around us that are an expression of her money.

And wealth is an expression of her to me. And so again, it becomes divine, right? So the way that we relate to the, the outer and the inner world then becomes this divine relationship of playfulness and color and aliveness that is so inviting and so not boring, so not rigid. And, and so for me. And that the initiation that I got and that really initiated me into this version of myself was when my wife, my partner, one of my greatest teachers, Rachel, just relentlessly loved me open as a divine feminine, just relentlessly would not take my rigid bullshit, like was like, uh, uh.

Unacceptable, and just kept loving me, kept loving me through all my stuff, right? And then when the ice began to melt and I began to relate to the divine as the feminine, she literally just started downloading stuff into me and made my body, like, in my daily practice, which I’ve had since the age of 14, which used to be very rigid, all of a sudden it began to move and sound and, you know, those of you guys that have experienced the permanent breath method, it’s very wild and alive and And crazy sounding look at the sound releases and shaking and laughing and crying and Orgasmic energies and like we’re available to all of it to flow through us.

And then how do we alchemize it all? Um, and and so my life has become so much Brighter and more interesting and expansive and and joyful and pleasurable When I married the two that shiva the shakti the yang the yang the alpha the omega within myself You And so I’m, I’m just so profoundly grateful for, for that initiative, the continued initiation in that.

Ronnie Landis: One of the things that I thought would be interesting, at least just to mention, I know it’s true from my own experience as being a man who’s gone through this, what you explained about that soft, but solidarity of a man that can embrace, that’s usually an indication that that man has broken down some things.

That man has broken down some walls, some hard, hard armor. I know that about me and I don’t know that I was ever like a brick wall or anything. I don’t have enough feedback from many years before. I know how I am now and I know how people respond to me now. I know how women respond to me now. I know how men respond to me now and vice versa.

And I know what I’ve been through. So, and, and so I, I, I say that too, as like an acknowledgement of the process that it takes, especially for the men that are masculine in nature, the deconstructive process that that requires to go through to come into softness, whimsical or wishy washy. Cause that’s not what, what Johann or I are talking about.

Like. Absolutely solid and convicted and strong and unwavering, yet are, are, you know, are fluid and bendable or adaptable like bamboo. 

Johann Urb: Exactly. So well put, brother. And you know, I felt that going back to our origin story, it’s like, from the moment that you and I connected, I could feel your heart. 

Ronnie Landis: Right. 

Johann Urb: And the way that you expressed, I’ve always felt your heart and your consciousness, like your awareness, your, you know, you’re such a warrior martial artist, and you could have easily just, you know, been just that guy, but you’ve layered in and we’ve layered in the, the awareness to softness, the kindness, the healer, right.

To your ability to do damage or to protect or to kill. Right. And, and when you just live from that place, like it’s so black and white and it’s so rigid and when you layer in those other parts of yourself, yeah, you can protect and you can, you can do damage and you can also heal. You can invite the opening without the need and use of force or rather.

Invite the opening by your presence and how safe and trustable you feel. And, and I would say that we so deeply need more men like that in the world, because the world is, is, is, is wild right now. And there’s so much aggression and there’s, especially I would say in the young men, you know, the men that are.

That are, you know, don’t have the things that women really want and how we can, uh, or, or, you know, if you’re gay or your partner wants or whatever else it’s like, there’s so much, um, there’s so much of sort of that rigid. Um, alone, angry, masculine going on right now that’s unsupported and and it’s it’s breeding so much hatred and so much conflict and so it’s so necessary and needed to get this medicine out to the world and show the especially the young men obviously goes all the way up to all https: otter.

ai Not the most ideal way to be in this world and how valuable it is when you as a man could show up for yourself and for a partner as a loving presence that is, who is open and vulnerable and available and authentic and strong and powerful and embodied at the same time. 

Ronnie Landis: Beautifully said. I want to talk to you about embodiment.

Processes, practices, because that’s that’s one of the main things that you alluded to in the beginning of this is your journey is about embodying the lessons, the, the, the frequencies, the vibrations, the practices and processes that you’ve inducted yourself into. And I think in the world of personal development and transformational artistry and new age, this and that, and all the different things.

And the way that dopamine is so highly triggered and stimulated based on YouTube videos and social media, it’s almost like the big challenge that I see, and I’m getting ready to release a book on dopamine. So like, I’m, I’m obsessed about this. I see everything through the lens of dopamine. It’s trippy.

It’s really wild to actually. To see what’s going on in in the world, um, from that perspective. But one of the things I’ve noticed is that We can be watching a video that’s very inspiring and, and really resonates deeply and, and, and, and motivates us to transform our life. But because of the digital interface and the separation between the screen and the, our actual physical being and the gap between the two, there’s something that’s lost and the dopamine system can actually interpret.

The inspiration or the message and simulate the experience as if we’re the one doing it without doing it, if that makes sense. So it’s not actually embodied. It’s somewhere stuck in the psychic sphere. And so I say that because that’s something we all should be aware of. When we’re watching podcasts, like you’re people, if you’re listening to this podcast, you’re listening to this podcast and I’m glad that you’re getting inspired, but I want you to do something with it.

Um, so that’s what I want to, I want to, I want to talk to you about embodiment. What, what is embodiment and, and how do you support people in that? 

Johann Urb: Ah, such a great question. And I love that you just took us there or here rather it’s, it’s. It’s so real and it’s so true. And, and, you know, we, we, we relate to him.

What you just alluded to is, is we’re looking at the outer world. Right. We’re looking at the TV, we’re looking at the phone and we’re looking at all of these, these sort of, uh, uh, you know, screens and things that are just fighting for our attention. Right. And, and it’s program is again, cause it’s so interesting in a VR and all of that as well.

It’s like, it’s so interesting and you want to go into it and you could endlessly be there because it’s likely better than your reality, right? What you created in your life. And so. So you’re living this, this outer expression of it, and it’s not embodied. It’s not in your body. And so I would invite our audience, uh, to, to find a practice that where it becomes a visceral experience.

And again, you know, for me and the practice that I do every single day, and a lot of my clients do and friends do, and now we have a teacher training. We’re teaching other folks how to do this as well as how to. Have that visceral experience because the mind is 5%, right? The body is 95%. So if a 5 percent of you is experiencing something and the 95 is not, then what’s the 95 doing and whether it’s slowly kind of like separating the two or it’s dying off, but it’s not having that.

Visceral experience of fulfillment and joy and love and connection that we are all built for and designed for and so it’s really, really important and this is like where breath work or like I like to call it breath play becomes so powerful of a tool for us to get into our body, right? We’re, we’re taking awareness down from the critical mind into the unconscious subconscious that holds a lot of the traumas and the patternings, um, that are, are, are.

Most of us are just not aware of it. So how can we marry our psychology and physiology, our brain and our body, and so that we can every day remember who we are and what’s important. And so when we get to remember daily, That we are the divine spark that we are god goddess divine ggd that we are The creators of our experience that we interpret everything we create the narrative about everything Viscerally when we remember that viscerally in our body Then life opens up in a completely new way because you get to know yourself and you get to experience yourself as the divine and when we remember that not just In a you know again in a sort of Analytical, uh, you know intellectual way, but rather viscerally embodied You become that emanation of the divine and with your actions with your words with your creations That’s the place that you create from so god goddess Divine is no longer outside of you somewhere else like sitting in a cloud or just out in nature or in trees or whatever However, you in the quantum somewhere, but you remember that you are it We are it all of us are that emanation of You The divine and when more and more of us remember and help each other, remember that that’s when we get to live in paradise.

That’s when we get to make heaven on earth and, and it’s through us. It’s not an outside in experience. It’s an inside out experience.

Ronnie Landis: What, what do you do when you slip out of that awareness, out of that psychosomatic state of being that you beautifully described? And I know, I know what that feels like. And also know what it feels like to toggle between. Heaven and hell within my own, within my own self. And so I’m curious, like, what, what are your go tos?

What, what do you utilize to support yourself when you slip in and out of that? 

Johann Urb: So I have a set of, of, of daily practices that I do. Pyramid breath is, is the biggest one that is the anchor is a reminder every single day. And we’re really fortunate because we also have people come over and practice with us every day.

We’re like a householder, yogi house, you know, ashram, temple ish place in a way where every morning we usually have at least two or three people that come and sit with us. And so we get this shared experience of remembering. 

And 

it’s so much more powerful together. We also have a, uh, an online channel that the people, um, can participate in.

And so wherever you’re in the world, you can join in and feel the power of when we practice. together. So that’s number one. Number two is, is daily gratitude. I literally, the first thing I do when I wake up in the morning before I open my eyes, before I touch my phone, which I won’t turn on at least for an hour after I, I, by the way, I’m awake and I’m doing things, uh, which is a big one for a lot of, uh, you know, folks out there.

Cause that’s. Such a go to for us and it activates the five to one negativity bias because you’re looking for danger. You’re looking for what’s wrong in the world, what I need to fix right now. Like what’s coming at me, right? And so instead of a flipping that five to one negativity bias to a five to one positivity bias, which I do gratitude.

In my body first thing in the morning. I’m like, oh heart. I love you. Thank you so much for always working and beating Thank you belly for digesting. Thank you brain for doing all that hard work of thinking Thank you arms and I go through my body and I literally just give gratitude to myself first to my body So again, what I’m doing right away, first thing in the morning is I’m creating a brain body connection so they’re not separate right all right away.

They’re like, Oh, we’re this one being, and we’re interacting. And the other thing that I love to do every day is, is speak my gratitude out loud in a couple of different ways when it’s called priming the day Tony Robbins is really big on this. That’s where I learned this, where I literally speak into existence the things that I’m grateful for now, as well as in the future.

And it’s, it’s such a powerful embodied practice, because I’m not just using my words, my whole body is involved. Like, I put music on and I’m, you know, You know, and I’m doing like a little, like, almost like a rap dance when I’m like saying, uh, like today is the best day. And I’m so grateful for today and that, you know, all the abundance and the connections that are happening.

And, oh, I’m just so excited for, you know, as we’re saying these words and then we feel the feelings. And again, it’s an embodied experience, a visceral experience, whatever the brain tells the body, the body experiences, like there’s this test, like you close your eyes and you imagine that you’re eating lemon, right, or lime, like you start salivating, because you’re telling your body that you bit into a lemon, so your body believes it.

And similarly, if you’re telling your body that everything is amazing, everything is going our way, the world is happening for you. For us, not to us. And today is the most magical day. The body gets so excited to to experience that. And then in the quantum, you know, sort of realm where what we’re doing is we’re magnetizing ourselves and we’re programming ourselves to then Create this and draw to us those experiences and I, I, journaling is also a big thing if you, a lot of folks that live in their head, you know, and have a lot of thoughts in the mind that doesn’t stop, you got to put it down on paper, got to write all that stuff down, get it out of your head through your hand.

Again, you’re using your body. Don’t type it in your phone, use your body with your hand, write it on paper, and it’s literally like you’re, you’re putting it away and then it’s in front of you, and then with that, you can also create a plan, so you have a vision, you know, where you’re going, what needs to be done, you have a list, and then you can take action, right?

So I would say those are the main modalities that I use every single day to, um, to create. And one big part of the Pyramid Breadth Method also is going into. the parts of ourselves that we’re most afraid of. Um, maybe our traumas are our narrative. I’m not good enough, right? The narrative that I’m somehow not, I haven’t achieved enough or I’m not doing enough or I’m not lovable enough.

Or somebody once told you that you’re not this enough or that enough going in there, inviting that part of you to open, then offering it to the fire of transformation. That is a part of this, this ritual and practice that we teach. And then, um, Alchemizing that energy in a new way so that you can actually envision your life and envision your future and then step into that.

So again, it’s a visceral experience of, I am now living from that place. And even though in the outside world, this may not yet have happened, I am moving towards it powerfully with my whole being. And because we’ve reprogrammed the unconscious and the body, I Uh, we are radiating and vibrating as that energy.

And so the law of, of, of, of attraction, you know, that’s one of the ways to talk about it is we’re literally drawn to it. So you will begin to experience these magical, incredible connections. Quote unquote, like a random experiences that are the portals and the gateways that you then get to say yes to and just know that you created this portal.

You created this person, this, this dynamic, this opportunity, and then you got to also say yes to it and go towards it. Because again, a part of you might be really afraid of this expansion point and just dive right into it using breath and awareness, learn how to regulate your nervous system and say yes and move towards it.

And your life will just open up in a way that is beyond your wildest beliefs, incredible. 

Ronnie Landis: There’s a couple of things that came up in what you just shared. One of them is that we need to override our negativity bias. Because with everything that’s being said, there’s old neural networks that are rooted in what we would call negativity.

Let’s just call it old stories, beliefs, self sabotage, tendencies, whatever. And these things are going to come up, right? We’re not going to feel magical and majestic and like heavens on earth out the gate. In fact, we’re probably going to feel Some of the stories come up. We’re going to feel a little ridiculous.

We’re going to feel embarrassed. We’re going to feel silly. We’re going to feel whatever we’re going to feel. So what? So one of the things I wanted to want to mention with that is like this requires consistency to to de circuit the old neuronal circuits, the old networks that are primed into an old identity.

And there’s an in between space, right? And that’s the stimulus response. So you need a new stimulus, which is the patterns that you’re explaining, and they have to be done consistently enough for you to, to rewire those circuits. Right. 

Johann Urb: Thousand percent brother. So 

Ronnie Landis: you can’t do it one week and then expect something to change.

Johann Urb: No. And I think a lot of folks run into that resistance and that resistance. You know that and that’s why I again I find breath work being is so powerful because we learn how to quiet the critic We learn how to get out of the the you know The guy who’s always like what are you doing? This is so stupid like look at you right now You’re sounding where you’re looking weird.

Everyone’s probably thinking you’re just being like a total weirdo, right? What are you doing right now? Like, you know, like stop like, oh i’m disgusted by you all those stories Like you said, you know, I don’t really experience that myself Almost ever anymore. Uh, even though, like you said, it’s, it’s, it’s because I’m so consistent.

Oh, my gosh. Yes. And when I work with, with, you know, clients, when we do workshops and retreats, it comes up every time. And people, when they share, they go like, you know, a part of the portion of the practice, I’m literally like watching myself, even though everyone has their eyes closed. And, you know, you’re still your awareness is like going like, yeah, Everyone’s looking at me right now.

I’m being really ridiculous. People are going to judge me as weird. And you know, this goes back to our like tribal mentality, like fit in. You’re going to get, you know, thrown out of the tribe. You’re the weird one. And so there’s so much like safety and stuff built in until you realize that oh my gosh, like I’m the one that’s holding me back.

From my freedom and because I don’t trust myself to be free, hashtag weird, you know? It’s like I am actually blocking the connection and the aliveness that’s always here and available. And it is full on practice. It’s full on commitment to being able to, you know, give yourself the freedom and the permission to be completely ridiculous to mess up.

To fuck up, to, to make mistakes, to, to, you know, go towards the, the uncomfortable and the unknown because that’s where the magic lives. 

Ronnie Landis: Yeah. Yeah.

Yeah. I mean, yeah, there’s, there’s so many like my, my neuroscience brain was wanting to kick on cause I’m so deep in the book. It’s like all so fresh, but essentially what you’re talking about is neuroplasticity. 

Johann Urb: Yeah, 

Ronnie Landis: by doing new things, novel and new things that also confront these like junior high bully embedded adopted program.

That’s what came up for me when you enacted, you animated that voice. I was like, oh, that was the junior high bully. That’s exactly what it was. 

Johann Urb: Yeah. Thousand percent, brother. It’s, it’s, it’s so wild how, how deep those programs are and how it’s, you know, how much we have dimmed our light or uniqueness at some point because, you know, and it starts like early.

It’s even in kindergarten. Like, kids are so mean, you know, again, like, Our brains aren’t developed and it’s, it’s, we can’t blame or shame anybody for even being a bully because they were just doing the best they could to survive at that time and just going back in time and being able to forgive those folks that have hurt you, damaged you, you know, whether it’s your parent or a teacher or, you know, a peer or even, you know, Somebody younger than you or whatever that got under your skin and made you shut down and feel shame in some way.

It’s so, um, it’s so common and we all do it. And that’s part of our initiation. And when we can look at it in that way and know that it happened for us, right? Because without resistance, there is no growth. We wouldn’t do anything. And so it’s necessary. And it was those folks that have had it like really easy.

They actually will somehow create it, you know, whether they become drug addicts or whether they get into trouble in some other way, they start stealing or scamming or, you know, at some point in your life, you will, in a part of your soul and spirit will create that resistance so you can grow. And now when we change the narrative about it, like you just said.

And we, we make it the story to be like, oh, it’s all here for me. Thank you, bully. Thank you, teacher. You know, thank you. This person that hurt me or broke my heart because a lot, this allows me to become more compassionate, more loving, more open. Unless, of course, you choose the other path, which is I am the victim, you know, poor me, or I’m going to now hate on everybody because I’m so scared to love and open.

And, and then, you know, that could also be part of your journey in this lifetime that you have chosen to just have that. And hopefully, I pray, There comes a moment when you decide to go towards the love and expansion and the opening because it’s when we forget that we are God, we are divine, 

and 

then we remember, it’s literally the best feeling in the world.

And again, like you alluded to, It’s very easy to forget, right? It’s easy to get enlightened or have a moment of enlightenment. And then you walk outside your door and a car almost hits you or a person flips you off or whatever else you forget immediately. So how do you remember over and over and over and over again?

And that’s why it’s called a spiritual practice, right? Instead of just the spiritual sort of peak life experience that that was it. And now I’m good. Like it doesn’t work that way. 

Ronnie Landis: Right. And we need to be mindful about getting it done. Addicted to peak state experiences, whether that’s in psychedelic spaces, plant medicine spaces, that it is in substances, stimulants, people, places, things, and that’s why my work around addiction is like, this is the kind of the theme is like, We need to be mindful of getting addicted to peak state experiences, otherwise known as outcomes and get more connected to the process.

And get detached from outcomes like if I have a peak state experience, great, amazing, that’s wonderful. It’s so simple. temporary, just like everything else. But the process is constant. I stay in the process and the practice and that’s who I am. And then what comes is, you know, whatever it is higher, low, great.

Doesn’t matter. I’m going to stay. I’m going to stay in that constant kind of Goldilocks space. 

Johann Urb: Yeah, you’re, you’re so right about that, but that’s for me when I realized that the, the, there is no dish destination other than the journey, but the journey is the destination. There isn’t a place where you arrive at.

Oh, I’m now here. Like, I, I plowed. So that’s not what you desire. That’s not what you want. And I think a lot of folks and especially. You know, probably our clients who are very successful men, especially who worked their whole lives, you know, to have a lot of money and several cars and, you know, I’ve all this like outward success, but then there’s no fulfillment.

Right? So you’re like, You have all all this wealth, but you spiritually completely broke and and so it’s like that’s not the ideal because it’s not going to give you the feeling that you desire when you realize that the journey is the destination and you create your journey all day long and when you we layer in.

Breath and awareness, which really means that you layer in ritual, your life becomes a ritual and this is where again these practices are so important because we learn how to change our state and something you know, it’s like it’s really about cognitive flexibility, right? So it’s understanding that our brains We wire our brains, the experiences wire our brains and we can let it be an outside in process and then you are constantly at the mercy of sort of the outside world or it gets to be an inside out process where you choose to wire your brain every day and your other You know, uh, parts of your body that are all connected in such a way that you live from this ecstatic, joyful experience of alignment, aliveness, and life that you are a creator of.

So you truly free yourself from the outcome because you are the outcome all the time, 

Ronnie Landis: right? Beautifully said. So well put. Like you are. You are the masterpiece. It’s not a business or a relationship or whatever the externalized goal is. Those are side effects. Those are byproducts. Those are nice things that come along our way, but what the hell am I doing here?

Oh, wait, that’s right. It’s me. I’m me. This is me. I’m the masterpiece of my own life. But we, we get, but we’ve been, we’ve been hoodwinked and, and programmed and persuaded. away from that. We’ve been talked out of the most obvious thing, which is what looks at you in the mirror every single morning. 

Johann Urb: One of my favorite parts of the pyramid breath practice is this part where we imagine there is this cosmic mirror in front of us, which does not lie only shows truth.

And when we are deep into the practice, we eye gaze with ourselves in this mirror, and then we see the divine looking back through our own eyes. So you literally experience Yourself as a divine, looking yourself in the mirror, and you know, for so many folks, they always say like that moment is so powerful because you remember that there is no separation.

That you are, you have chosen this body, this lifetime, this experience, there’s no mistakes. And to have this awakening. And then when you have that awakening, and you remember, you get to live as that and from that place. And whenever you forget, you again get to do the practice, look in the mirror and remember, like, oh, that’s right, I’m already here.

There’s nowhere else to be. This is it. Right? Because Life is short and you know, we’re old enough now to know that it’s not an outside experience. It’s going to give you that feeling of fulfillment and joy and success. It truly is an inside out job. And we’ve been looking so hard for it outside. And like you said, the outside world really has kind of programmed us because so much money is being made where when our attention is, you know, on the Instagram or Tik TOK or, you know, YouTube or whatever else, um, that is, you know, constantly like inviting you to do more and more and more of that.

And that’s something, by the way, take away from the value of the Internet and value of Instagram, value of YouTube and TikTok. There’s a lot of value in there, but if it’s unbalanced, if it’s unchecked and we’re addicted to it. You’re addicted to the outside world, giving you that dopamine hit instead of you being the dopamine hit and then enjoying a little bit of that outside world as well and be like, I’ll incorporate that.

That’s amazing. Inspiration. Wonderful. Let me take interaction now towards what I desire to create, but I’m not, that’s not the only place I’m getting it from 

Ronnie Landis: beautifully said what just came up for me as you said, that was, was kind of like, yeah. What we started the conversation out with this like counterpart integration, and that’s what just kind of came up for me, um, because we’re not going to find we’re not going to find it in another, although we will find it.

Through another. So that’s it. So, you know, there, there is that dynamic as well, the relationship alchemy, but like what I just, what you just explained was another, was another set of pieces to this whole self integration wholeness process. And I think this would be like the last kind of like the last place to, to explore and integrate in this conversation.

Which is it comes down to wholeness, right? And what, what, what is wholeness? What is it? What is being a whole healed and complete even look like? What, what is that? 

Johann Urb: You know, my wife says this often, she says, um, it can be a whole and healing at the same time. They’re not separate from each other. Right? So to me, what it means is.

That we constantly expand. And again, you cannot have expansion without contraction. So, you know, there’s this, I think a lot of folks when they idealize, and again, it’s from the head, spirituality or connection is like, Oh, it’s just, you’re always expanding and you’re in this beautiful state of bliss and nothing ever bothers you and it’s so boring, right?

And so I know it’s like so not true when we can embrace the contraction when we can embrace the parts of ourselves that constantly get revealed as we’re peeling the onion and we’re getting deeper and deeper and deeper and when the deeper you go and you know I’ve touched on this as well as like you start to layer in like past life experiences like other sort of multi dimensional experiences and you start to layer Like, oh my gosh, like, I’m not just me, I’m also all the other beings, and it goes, and it goes so deep that literally it’s like a bottomless well, like every time I, even though I do the same practice every single day, it’s never the same, because the, in, in the infinity of the expression of the divine, like, you get to experience yourself In, in, in so many myriad of ways and remember yourself as, as, you know, similarly, like you do in medicine space, you know, those of us that have explored those spaces that it doesn’t run out and, and thank God it doesn’t run out because again, like that’s not, you would be like, Oh gosh, like, where do I expand from here?

But luckily it never stops. And so again, that the journey is. The destination, the destination is, is the goal of the, what am I saying? Yeah, journey is the destination and it’s forever expanding and contracting, but it doesn’t mean that you contract back to the place where you started, or rather like you expand and you get to like live in this expansive state and you get used to it, you get comfortable here, you maybe feel like a smaller contraction, but then you expand more and more and more and you get to live in this expanded state and you’re like, Oh, this is really good.

And this is where the mantra comes of a better and better forever and ever, right? So you can really begin to embody that. 

And as you 

expand, you’re also often given even bigger challenges to overcome because your capacity has grown. And again, we then get to embrace it. Not from a place of, I don’t know what to do with it, but rather like, thank you so much divine for giving me this opportunity.

I’m so excited to figure this puzzle out or find the pieces that are necessary that I haven’t yet touched so that I can continually continue to expand. 

Ronnie Landis: The two things that come up for me listening to you is In that continue expansion, there’s a there’s a increase in in capacity, but increasing responsibility to maintain the embodiment, right?

Because I found in my experience, the higher I go in the more I develop and grow as a human being, if I backslide, Man, it’s way more painful than it used to be. It’s like I fall all the way down and hit the ground. Now I have the ability to bounce back, but it is, but it’s felt the impact has felt deeper.

So it’s let me know that like, there is a, there is a implicit responsibility. With spiritual growth, with wisdom. That’s why they say unearned wisdom is a dangerous thing. And to embody that, so maintaining the practice, maintaining the constancy so that I can actually meet the challenges of life. I can meet the opportunities of life.

And then the other thing that came up for me, This is probably why spiritual relationships can be so challenging because you’re adding in multiple dimensions. You have one person that’s growing and evolving, but now you have another person that’s growing and evolving. So change really is the only thing that can be constant.

Whereas, you know, I would say old relationships, but different models of relationships that we might call 3d or just a little more, um, Little more constant, a little more predictable. Now you put two spiritually evolving people together. We got a whole different dynamic here. 

Johann Urb: I, you know, my wife and I, it’s been so important for us and we’ve done this is the day that we met it because we met at a meditation retreat.

We have always shared a practice every day and it’s so important to again to share a practice this is of in my experience of from my perspective, but to have a practice where all of you gets expressed because like you said It’s like you start growing and if you if you’re not If your bodies aren’t sharing information, if you’re energetically and not sharing that information, it’s so difficult to explain.

You know, if one of you just has a practice of breath work and meditation and the other doesn’t like you’re likely going to break up or be in a very disconnected relationship. Or if your practices are very different, one is rigid, one is not, it’s going to create so much friction. And then it’s like who’s right and who’s wrong.

Who’s whose practice is more right than the other. Right. And, and, and these lineages and especially lineages where. And I hear this with our coaching clients and so that these narratives, whether it’s from a psychiatrist or it’s from, you know, a guru or a teacher that they say that our way is the right way.

Right. And everybody else is kind of, that’s a lot of like religion to like, you know, you only get to have any, if you’re a Christian or a Muslim or a Jew or a Buddhist or whatever, and you’re separating yourself versus including your, your, everybody and, and, and really understanding. I think the baseline is when you truly understand and experience that we’re all God.

Right. We’re all emanations of the divine and how can we continually grow and give each other permission to grow together and not put anybody in a pedestal, not asked to be put on a pedestal, but rather stay in the eye to eye, you know, heart to heart space where we are in it together. Like we are. The second coming is what I believe it’s we it’s not a single person.

It’s not like, you know JC is going to come back or somebody else is going to come back and we have this fearless leader who’s going to free us all I know man The narrative is like we are the ones that we have been waiting for This is the time that we have been waiting for this is the time we’ve chosen incarnate When the whole world can be connected.

We have internet now. We can see each other literally across the planet. Like it’s incredible. And we get to constantly remind each other and hold each other accountable and become more and more trustable in our expression of the divine. And because another thing is like when you learn these. Which is such a trap with spiritual egos like oh, I now know more I am now more important because I know this stuff, you know And especially in the beginning when people get on a path 

of 

self discovery That’s you know Your spiritual ego is so sneaky and you all of a sudden think that you’re right and the rest doesn’t get it Such a trap.

Yeah, 

such a trap. So it’s so important to have sung a, have community that really is, is willing to receive you and see you and hold you, um, and, and to create it. Like if you are in a place where you feel very alone, cause a lot of folks are, you know, if in the middle of nowhere and everybody’s just like, you know, watching sports and drinking beers and that’s all they’re doing, make sure you find.

Folks out there in the world through the internet at first that are in alignment, that see you, that receive you and celebrate you and invite you to stay on this path of opening. And then all of a sudden, magically, you will start meeting those people around you because you’re magnetized to each other.

And it’s just, again, one of the most beautiful expressions and experiences in life. 

Ronnie Landis: Fully agreed. Fully agreed. And beautiful way to weave those, those things together. Yeah. This was, this was phenomenal. This is absolutely fantastic. Perfect timing. Where, where can everybody find you? I know that you have the breathwork of the breath, the pyramid breathwork, um, Institute teacher training, and you actually guide other people in becoming teachers or people that are facilitators and adding this rapid into their repertoire.

So where can people find more about that? Where can people connect to you? 

Johann Urb: Yeah. So, uh, my website is called pyramid breath. com and, uh, we are launching, uh, the teacher training begins February 18th. You know, if you’re coming in a little bit late, we were recording everything. So if, even if you’re coming in a week later, uh, we’ll still going to let people in.

This is, you know, I feel like one of the main reasons why I was put on this planet and, and seeing, you know, we’ve taught all over the world now, you know, thousands and thousands of people and, and seeing the impacts that this. this, this method has on people is so profound and so beautiful. And, and, and we’re so excited to train, uh, our first cohort of teachers so that this medicine could continue to spread.

And, uh, you know, we also have an amazing course for those of you guys that are really interested in, in learning conscious and co devotional communication and changing those patterns and behaviors that, you know, You know, you think are you, but really you’re just programmed into yourself. Um, it’s called Tantra of life also, uh, on my website, as well as my wife’s website, which is, I am Rachel Pringle.

com. And then you guys can find us on Instagram at herb Johann and at positive Pringle. And we’re just so grateful and excited to continue to do this, this work and to be the change that we have been waiting for in the world and invite more and more folks to join the party because my friends, it is better together.

Ronnie Landis: Absolutely. Beautiful. We’ll have all those links in the show notes. Thank you, my friend. I appreciate you so much for your friendship, your brotherhood and being a colleague of yours in this, this transformational space. And, um, look forward to connecting again soon. Thank you. 

Johann Urb: Thank you brother. So much love.

Thanks for having me. Have an amazing day.